does anyone have or know of a "full and complete list of misquotations of the watchtower" if not would anyone like to help compile this list.
i'm sure that we could find someone who would host an article or paper on this subject.
i was thinking of a list or paper without any inflamatory wording or language that we could just hand to a jw and they would read without dismissing it as "full of hate" or appostate etc.
rebel8 I had checked your site, it is good.
I do not totally agree that scans are not useful. It may be possible to fake them, but it is certainly easier to fake a transcript. Someone that is walking out of the WTBTS will be reluctant in believing things unless he sees the actual printed page (once burnt....). Personally I prefer to have the copies of the books / articles and I will keep on working on that line.
they left me alone for a long time but the "territory" i live in seems to be more active.
i am unable to just be the "nice lady" anymore and feel like i have to give them a 'thought for the day".
i have always been a bit cautious as i am a 'final fade" for the past 17+ years and still have familiy in but the more i know, the less i can just wish them a nice day and respect what they are doing....
option A) tell them that if they can prove Jerusalem was destroyed in 607BCE you will study with them
option B) give them a copy of Crisis of Conscience and ask them to come back when they have read it
many of us who were once jehovah's witnesses had a measure of happiness in our lives.
for me, i had a hope in the future, i had answers as to why we are all here, i believed in a loving god who looked after me and cared about me, i had answers to all of lifes big questions.. when i found out the truth about the witnesses, i was lost in a great big world and now had no answers other than the fact that what i once believed was "the truth" in actuality wasn't the truth.i now had to start all over in my search for truth.
for me, it wasn't long before i found what i thought was the truth since i always believed in the bible.
gumby, so far I have only read your first post, it could have been written by me. I feel exactly the same as you do. I can honestly say that at present my thinking is that I was happier when I was ignorant.
how did the kangaroo, the koala bear, and the platypus get from noah's ark to australia?
how did any animals get to australia for that matter?i know that this has been considered before but i just love asking jws this question.. nvr.
another question that I would like answered is why there are no snakes in Ireland, New Zealand, Iceland, Greenland, and Antarctica?
does anyone have or know of a "full and complete list of misquotations of the watchtower" if not would anyone like to help compile this list.
i'm sure that we could find someone who would host an article or paper on this subject.
i was thinking of a list or paper without any inflamatory wording or language that we could just hand to a jw and they would read without dismissing it as "full of hate" or appostate etc.
I try to revive this old topic.
I have come across a few website that report misquotes by the WTBTS. Very often there is no scan of the original publication where the quote is taken, but just a transcript. I know it would be a monumental work to put together all the scans, but I trust it would be worthwhile. I have started myself gathering some of the books (like Grayson and Priestley) and wonder if someone else is maybe doing a similar work. let me know.
i posted a similar topic a year and a half ago.
i thought with all the new people it would be interesting to ask it again.
so i began to research ... and here i am.
I was not raised as JW but got in touch with them in my teens. No doubts at the beginning, everything seemed so logical. I did find a few thing pharisaic, but did not bother too much. not affected by the generation change (never really thought it made sense that interpretation; only now I start to realise all the implications though).
once a long time elder, showed me an article in the late 60's for young ones about the certainty of not getting old in this system (and therefore not waste time in school...). aren't we saying exactly the same (maybe in a more subtle way)? I wondered. (I have a feeling that he also has a lot of doubts but have not dared talking to him yet about other matters, but I am getting ready for it). Then a discussion with a former JW that just mentioned something about the cross. I checked the scriptures and the twisted explanation of John 20:25.
Out of curiosity I looked for Ray Franz books and I came accross Gentile Times Reconsidered on Amazon.com. 607 was the eye opener.
In the meantime I started to question also the blood policy, when a doctor asked me, would you let your daughter die (at the time less than 2 years old) rather than give her a blood transfusion in case of an emergency? I looked at this gorgeous blue eyed girl (every dad thinks his daughter is gorgeous ) and said to myself "is this what a God of love would really want?"
then the end will come.compare matthew 10:23.. how you can start a bible study.
how is this done?matthew 24:45-47; luke 12:42.. *** w05 8/15 p. 22 par.
[picture on page 29] what can you do to direct the student's attention to the bible?.
thanks nvrgnbk, I try to see the bright side of it (if there is any ) but it is not time to rock the boat yet.
no problem Blondie, what you do is fantastic and I wonder where you find the time for it.
then the end will come.compare matthew 10:23.. how you can start a bible study.
how is this done?matthew 24:45-47; luke 12:42.. *** w05 8/15 p. 22 par.
[picture on page 29] what can you do to direct the student's attention to the bible?.
In one breath the organization tells the workers not to be concerned about the overwhelming lack of response to their efforts- that the success of the ministry is not determined by the results obtained. In the next breath they're bragging about how all the "increases" in disciples and literature distribution are clear, unequivocal evidence of Jehovah's rich blessing. Articles bashing other religions state clearly that a large membership in no way, shape, or form is any indication of God's seal of approval. I'm so confused. Oh wait, that's just how they want it.
JW always like to have it both ways http://www.freeminds.org/doctrine/haveitbothways.htm
on this paragraph we had someone (a lifetime JW) commenting that while major religious groups are decreasing in number, JW are increasing. The incredible thing is that they believe it and even worse, we used to believe it too....
Blondie, thank you once again. great job as usual (but if could post a few hours earlier, it would be even greater).
can anyone provide any evidence to support the claim that jerusalem was destroyed in 586bc, rather than 587bc?
Oded Lipschits in his recent book "The Fall and Rise of Jerusalem" (published by Eisenbrauns) places it in 586. There is a detailed analysis of historical and scriptural references. I have not yet read the book so I can't tell you why he says 586 and not 587.
i have been going back and forth via email with a jw friend.
the subject got around to 607 bce, so i asked her if she could find a non-wts source to prove that date.
of course, she writes back telling me about all the complicated info.
Someone from this thread would have to ask Jehovah himself or one of his prophets living today to reveal his timetable to us such that we can all clearly grasp what was intended, methinks.
if it was so important why did He not provide an absolute chronolgy in the Bible in the first place, without needing secular chronology? or could it be that secular chronology is not that bad after all? If most of secular chronology is to be rejected (and I strongly advise you to have a look at it and you shall see that it is not so simple to label it as inaccurate), as the WTBTS does, why it is 587bce and not 537bce to be discarded? Because some blessed people had a revelation? the same ones that got it wrong so many times? the same ones that, guided by holy spirit, wrote tha God, before creating Eve, let Adam determine if there was a suitable companion for him among the animals? (look at the book life everlasting in the freedom of the sons of God, pages 43 onwards)
You're clearly not ready for this freedom, Fred. And I feel for you, because I once thought just like you did. If you feel hurt, I understand that too. I didn't want Wonderland to end. I wanted my tract-cover world to make sense. In the end, I knew I could not make any more excuses for the men in Brooklyn.
