to explain this thread i need to tell a sad and horrific story about someone that was once a friend...............for the sake of privacy i will refer to her as carol.. i met carol in the about 1990. i was not a jw (had left when i was 16 and unbaptised).
i was suffering with panic attacks, i think for many reasons but mainly because i had recently lost my dad and took it very hard.
i lived with my then boyfriend, who later became my husband in a town in south yorkshire.
I agree with you about the jws lack of having a genuine support system to help those who get into these type of situations.
I agree and it is one of the things that made me initially question the organisation (seeing a DF person, left by her non-JW husband, coming to the hall with 3 small kids, one disabled, all by herself without any help).
to explain this thread i need to tell a sad and horrific story about someone that was once a friend...............for the sake of privacy i will refer to her as carol.. i met carol in the about 1990. i was not a jw (had left when i was 16 and unbaptised).
i was suffering with panic attacks, i think for many reasons but mainly because i had recently lost my dad and took it very hard.
i lived with my then boyfriend, who later became my husband in a town in south yorkshire.
Would she have been better staying a misled JW?
my opinion is yes.
I used to study with a heroin addict and put myself heavily into trying to help him. After some years I gave up hope as he slowly made a few step forward and then fell back again into the habit. I was amazed at how vulnerable these people are (I did not ask many questions about his upbringing but I do not think he was abused), I was also amazed at how, when we were going around together, so many people would approach him either to ask or offer drugs, so temptation was always at hand.
A few years passed and he started studying with another JW. Eventually he got baptised and is now a happy misled JW. Would find out the truth about the truth help him? No. Chances are that he would go back into drugs. Most of his friends (to many of whom I did speak when I was studying with him) are now dead and buried. The few that survived are still into heroin.
as i've mentioned a few times before, i'm working on a round of articles for austin cline's site.
the final "big daddy" article is an evaluation: is the wts a controlling, harmful cult?
but i don't plan on doing an attack article.
http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/ domain was registered in July 2006 so seems quite recent comprehensive attempt at debunking 587BCE and the UN fiasco
I confirm. I only looked at the 587/607 part. It sounds very nice to the uninformed. Just for info, Jeffro wrote a very good rebuttal in here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/119819/1.ashx which can also be found in his blog http://jeffreyd.no-ip.com/wordpress/index.php/jehovahs-witnesses-and-1914/response-to-607-website/
many of you were probably the type to question everything or analyze everything, yet .
just accept whatever the wts says.
you broke out of that.
OTWO
I recommend you buy a book to your wife (I have not received it myself yet, but it sounds great from the feedback in amazon):
Don't Believe Everything You Think: The 6 Basic Mistakes We Make in Thinking by Thomas E. Kida
· We prefer stories to statistics.
· We seek to confirm, not to question, our ideas.
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· We sometimes misperceive the world around us.
· We tend to oversimplify our thinking.
· Our memories are often inaccurate.
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will this arrogant, presumptuous organization that has ruined so many lives, that loves to talk about humility and modesty, ever present a formal apology to all those who've suffered at their hands?.
would it really matter if they did?.
nvrgnbk .
They probably don't think they have done anything to apologise for.
After all, they have helped their followers to live upstanding, moral lives, and avoid
the traps that many of us worldly folk fall into, like drug abuse, smoking, alcoholism,
marriage breakups, immoral sex, STD'S etc.At least, that's what they say........
I am with you dedpoet. + they are convinced to be God's channel on the earth, so...
http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/catholic-church-reverses-teaching-on/20070420203609990001?ncid=nws00010000000001
I can just look forward to some zealous witnesses commenting at a meeting on how confused catholics are and how they reverse teachings, etc...
amazing how easy it is to see the straw in other people's eyes
i post regularly in an international web-based group regarding the sport i do.
one of the group members is a jw and always signs his posts with: "that people may know that you, whose name is jehovah, you alone are the most high over all the earth.
i kindly asked him three times to stop his preaching in our sports forum but he persists.
"Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews chapter eleven, to the condition of human perfection." (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, pp. 89,90)
"The year 1925 is a date definitely and clearly marked in the Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914." (The Watchtower, 7-15-24, p. 211)
"Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not so state." (The Watchtower, 8-1-26, p. 232)
I do not have the book "life everlasting in the freedom of the sons of God" in English, and it is no longer on the WTL, but page 44 §22 is a must have (i'll try to get if from the library) it is where it says that Jehovah gave the possibility to Adam to chose a partner from the lower creatures.
daniel 4:1-37, "seven times".
what was the tree like, before it was cut down?
the situation is described in daniel 4:11, 12:.
Welcome son of John!
I can't believe the reply! I've seen a few ridiculous ones, but this one beats them all.
Woodsman did you post anywhere the reply you received concerning the UN?
i post regularly in an international web-based group regarding the sport i do.
one of the group members is a jw and always signs his posts with: "that people may know that you, whose name is jehovah, you alone are the most high over all the earth.
i kindly asked him three times to stop his preaching in our sports forum but he persists.
my previous post was about misquotes.
www.reexamine.org has plenty of quotes.
some good ones:
w91 12/1 p. 7 Is Any Religion Good Enough?
A religion that teaches lies cannot be true.
ts chap. 5 p. 46 What Is This Thing Called “Soul”?
Knowing these things, what will you do? It is obvious that the true God, who is himself “the God of truth” and who hates lies, will not look with favor on persons who cling to organizations that teach falsehood. (Psalm 31:5; Proverbs 6:16-19; Revelation 21:8) And, really, would you want to be even associated with a religion that had not been honest with you?
then add a typical flip flop.
i post regularly in an international web-based group regarding the sport i do.
one of the group members is a jw and always signs his posts with: "that people may know that you, whose name is jehovah, you alone are the most high over all the earth.
i kindly asked him three times to stop his preaching in our sports forum but he persists.
some of the worst ones (like trinity brochure or Grayson) probably will not interest other posters, but maybe will help the fellow to open his eyes
a couple of sites you can look at:
http://docbob1.home.comcast.net/misquotes.htm
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/119282/1.ashx/Mis-quotes+that+the+WTS+have+put+into+print.++
http://www.towerwatch.com/Witnesses/New_World_Translation/mantey_comments.htm
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2437/misquote.htm
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/35633/1.ashx/Comprehensive+list+of+misquotes
