Posts by jeanV

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Comments you will not hear at the 5-13-07 WT Review (Loyal to GB Jesus)

by blondie in

loyal to christ and his faithful slave.

what interesting points: cross, christmas, pyramid.

q12, 13) what scriptural reasons are there for showing respect for the slave class?.

jeanV

Timmi

The organization is not perfect and yes they do make mistakes, things are by far more restrictive then they have ever been. Those that don't like can freely leave, berate and do what ever they wish, and those that wish to stay can, and abide by the organizational rules, which they believe are based on Gods word for protection in this System.

The problem are double standards, for the organisation (that is imperfect but imposes its rules that you cannot question) and for the members. If a close family member of yours had died for not accepting an organ transplant or a blood fraction when they were forbidden, how would you feel now that they are permitted?

The only thing I try to do is show love, respect others, and ignore those I find to be unchrist like, the worst thing I find rather than the doctrines, is lack of love, gossip, and back biting, smiters, and self righteousness, for me that is far worst than anything else.

What about if you find out that a trusted friend has been lying to you several times and hiding important information from you that would have made you take different decisions in life?

I also find that some stay in the congregations (especially young ones) not because they believe but because they want to do as their parents say because they don't want to be kicked out and have to fend for themselves, they have it to easy at home. I find that to be hypocricy.

It is hypocrisy but it is also survival. The organisation is full of hypocrisy.

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Comments you will not hear at the 5-13-07 WT Review (Loyal to GB Jesus)

by blondie in

loyal to christ and his faithful slave.

what interesting points: cross, christmas, pyramid.

q12, 13) what scriptural reasons are there for showing respect for the slave class?.

jeanV

thank you blondie and thank you all for the nice comments!

I singled out this one by Arthur as outstanding (it is soooooo trrrrrrruuuuuuueeeeeeee):

It's funny to me how there is an unspoken understanding among Witnesses that no one is to raise a tough question or make any observation about the Society that is unflattering. It's like an atmosphere of political correctness; only I refer to it as "theocratic correctness".

Diminishing numbers : actually increase of 254 members last year.

this was the real highlight of the study the rest was mind controlling stuff.

"Yes, so if we reject the Slave, it's like we're rejecting Jesus and Jehovah!"

I heard the same. I heard also someone stating that it is amazing how the FDS & GB know better than everybody else and so many times the publish articles about matters that are discussed in the news only several months later...

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Is WTS chronology flawed?

by cultswatter in

historians agree that jerusalem was invaded by babylon in 586/587bce.

the wts discredits most historical records and says that jerusalem was invaded in 607bce.

the wts start with 587 and add the 70 years that jerusalem lay desolate to obtain the 607 date.. if jerusalem was invaded in 587 then it lay desolate for only 50 years (587-537=50).

jeanV

scholar,

maybe you can make it available for dowlonad or send it to me by e-mail. I'll reply to you about Furuli on the other thread open on the same subject.

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WHAT IS BIGGEST TRUTH IN THE TRUTH?

by badboy in

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any ideas?

jeanV

w91 12/1 p. 7 Is Any Religion Good Enough?
A religion that teaches lies cannot be true.

ts chap. 5 p. 46 What Is This Thing Called “Soul”?
Knowing these things, what will you do? It is obvious that the true God, who is himself “the God of truth” and who hates lies, will not look with favor on persons who cling to organizations that teach falsehood. (Psalm 31:5; Proverbs 6:16-19; Revelation 21:8) And, really, would you want to be even associated with a religion that had not been honest with you?

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Arguments about the flood.

by Adolfius in

i posted a thread yesterday about evolution and population since the flood, http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/134218/1.ashx and there were some arguments from the point of view of jw's that would be hard to counter....for me anyway.

but it raised some other questions that i'd like some feedback on.. namely, is it just me who thinks it's just ridiculous that noah could've collected all the animals from across the globe and got them on the ark?.

according to the united nations global biodiversity assesment, there are an estimated 1.75 million species on the planet.

jeanV

I'll comment when I have more time.

In the meantime you may enjoy this link: http://www.dimaggio.org/Heretic/1st_corr.htm

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Was it ever to your advantage to say that you were a JW?

by JH in

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maybe during an interview, "hey, i'm a jw", you can trust me....lol.

the elders always told us that jehovah's name opens doors.. well, not in my case, how about you?.

jeanV

I know someone that was denied a job after saying she was a JW.

personally I never made a big publicity about it and never witnessed at work. but people would find out anyway. A lot of times they were surprised as they thought I was normal

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Is WTS chronology flawed?

by cultswatter in

historians agree that jerusalem was invaded by babylon in 586/587bce.

the wts discredits most historical records and says that jerusalem was invaded in 607bce.

the wts start with 587 and add the 70 years that jerusalem lay desolate to obtain the 607 date.. if jerusalem was invaded in 587 then it lay desolate for only 50 years (587-537=50).

jeanV

features a tabulation under the heading Table 11 The New Babylonian Kings P.74. This tabulation shows the wide variation of the reigns of those kings. If you have not consulted this reference then I recommend that you do and also obtain when published this year Furuli's second volume dealing with Babylonian chronology.

Could you post a scan of the table?

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Would you really want to live forever

by darth frosty in

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i just finished reading this book called the alchemist.

it is a very compelling story about following your dreams.

what i found most intriguing about the book is the depth of spirituality it brought out in me.

jeanV

Yes, yes I can say that I really would like to live forever on a beautiful earth. That is one reason why I bought into all the WTS stuff. I so enjoy sitting outside viewing nature,gardening, traveling, hiking, music, etc. No, I can't think that I would ever get bored. Is it a real possibility? I do not know anymore. I know that Jesus said we could have everlasting life. But where?

Quandry, I am with you.

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Is WTS chronology flawed?

by cultswatter in

historians agree that jerusalem was invaded by babylon in 586/587bce.

the wts discredits most historical records and says that jerusalem was invaded in 607bce.

the wts start with 587 and add the 70 years that jerusalem lay desolate to obtain the 607 date.. if jerusalem was invaded in 587 then it lay desolate for only 50 years (587-537=50).

jeanV

scholar,

In regard to the Neo-Babylonian tabulation it is simply the fact that the data is inconsistent between different authorities so it must be used with extreme caution.

This is one of the things I reproach to the WTBTS and yourself, you make affirmations without supporting them with evidence. Could you kindly provide some inconsistencies between authorities with regard to neo-babylonian tabulation? I basically got every possible book that deals with the period and have not found any yet. The chronology of the period is definitely fixed.

The chronology of the Bible is not dependent on secular chronology as you claim but does require a pivotal or Absolute Date in order for us today with our different calender to locate those past events in the stream of time.

so secular chronology is trustworthy only for a pivotal date? how do you determine that that date is reliable and accurate if you basically discard all the rest? how do you determine which astronomical diaries and business documents can be trusted and which cannot? With your reasoning anything goes really, even the theory of Larsguy about 511bce could make sense.

The prophecy of the 'seven times' is indeed biblical and is recorded in Daniel 4

Jeffro replied to this and other claims better than I could ever do.

Your latter observation is sound because the truth of 607 results in 1914 not 1934

It was a quotation from WT not my thought Not a very scientific reasoning really.

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Should I??

by Mrs Smith in

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i have been speaking to my mom about the wbts a lot lately.

last night while discussing the fact that 1914 is now missing from the "awake" masthead (something she never noticed .

she thinks if i write to the gb they will send me a nice neat explenation and that it will all be better and she then can go on thinking that the jw have it all!.

jeanV

Mrs. Smith, I would write to the society and then post the reply on the internet. Reading answers from the society has helped me a lot in realising they do not have the truth.