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  What are you doing on Christmas day?

  by Jen1 in

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  any one out there doing field service?

  i have not gone out on that day in years.

  and have no intention of ever doing that again.

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  humbled

  Get our under our roof 4 grown sons who live near and our youngest daughter from afar along with any friends they want to bring. Eat a turkey with trimmings and fresh bread, (hopefully mend some fences that need mending) enjoy one another. And...watch a marionette show that I will present for their entertainment. That may either laugh with me or at me--I don't care.

  There has been a lot of hurt in the family. I just want them to find their way back to each other.

  Happy Christmas and have a lovely time together!---Maeve
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  A bona fide Circuit Overseer endorses jw.net!

  by abiather in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  though he is a typical wt slave, we are like david and jonathan.. in my most intimate conversation with him, i asked him:.

  how do you manage serving an organization built on inherent contradictions?.

  he said: organization helps people to grow spiritual, like any other religious organizations do.

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  humbled

  Hello there, NeverKnew!

  The problem seems to be how MUCH outside the Church-box we think.

  The Conference of American Catholic Religious Sisters--the nuns are struggling to follow their conscience, Jesus and perform their duties to the poor. Yet they are constantly running afoul of the hierarchy. They have wondered if their promise of obedience is to the church or to God.

  I appreciate that there are places where you can grow--I am only saying this: churches do have their rules.

  edit: that said, Pope Francis is bending them. Best one they've had in a while.
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  A bona fide Circuit Overseer endorses jw.net!

  by abiather in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  though he is a typical wt slave, we are like david and jonathan.. in my most intimate conversation with him, i asked him:.

  how do you manage serving an organization built on inherent contradictions?.

  he said: organization helps people to grow spiritual, like any other religious organizations do.

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  humbled

  Until we have a case like the man defrocked, I can agree with you. Perhaps his church let him think as he liked --until his son was gay and wanted to be married.
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  I have JUST become a GREAT GRANNY Of Twins.

  by mouthy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  henry 51bs 12 oz,eve 51bs 14 oz...phil my grnason by marriage just called.. ashley the new mum) my granddaughter who herself was a twin,from my melanie who died when she was 42(cancer).

  they are doing well born by ceaserian at 2.40p.m today!!!!!

  !.

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  humbled

  Double the fun!!!!!

  Happy for you all!!!
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  Disciplinary Actions

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during a disciplinary procedure, what would the response be if you wanted representation?

  an advocate?.

  why don't they have a group of unbiased men, a prosecutor to present the case against you and an advocate that would represent the accused?

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  humbled

  thedog1,

  Go to the top of this page, click on "Search".Type in "How I left Jehovah's Witnesses/ Maeve Courteau"
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  Disciplinary Actions

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
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  during a disciplinary procedure, what would the response be if you wanted representation?

  an advocate?.

  why don't they have a group of unbiased men, a prosecutor to present the case against you and an advocate that would represent the accused?

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  humbled

  thedog1,

  Your message showed up.

  My matter was not that I misbehaved. I had a conscience matter that involved Genesis 22. The entire series of letters, including Bethel's response is on line. I will find the link.

  The issue, as simply as I can state it,then and now is that it seemed more proper to allow me to read the bible account of what God asked of Abraham rather than the interpretation in My Book of Bible Stories.

  The brothers initially--Or at least the one they let speak for them--told me that I must use the literature as it stood. I asked "Not the Bible?" He laid his hand on the yellow Bible Story Book and told me to use it. He told me that I had my own interpretation of the account. I told him, not so. The word for "burnt offering" carried not the same meaning as "sacrifice" in Hebrew. Therefore the Book of Bible Stories was the interpretation--I wanted at least to allow for the ambiguity of the text in view of the contradictions (unanswerable and horrible) the literature presented.

  They recessed and to it to the Circuit Overseer. Then it went to Bethel.

  I wanted to know if you would have told me not to read the Bible account instead of the Bible Story Book.
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  Disciplinary Actions

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during a disciplinary procedure, what would the response be if you wanted representation?

  an advocate?.

  why don't they have a group of unbiased men, a prosecutor to present the case against you and an advocate that would represent the accused?

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  humbled

  thedog1,

  I hope you respond to my question on page 1.

  To Gopher's point, I signed on to follow the bible (I took it very seriously). The literature trumped the bible I discovered. What was I to do?
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  this week's wt study

  by thedog1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i conducted the wt study tonight on higher education.

  i wondered what the reaction of the bros and sis would be.

  there was no deviation from the idea that a university education is not a good idea.

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  humbled

  thedog1,

  Please tell us what you think of CoC when you finish it. I read it after I was out.

  Maeve
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  A bona fide Circuit Overseer endorses jw.net!

  by abiather in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  though he is a typical wt slave, we are like david and jonathan.. in my most intimate conversation with him, i asked him:.

  how do you manage serving an organization built on inherent contradictions?.

  he said: organization helps people to grow spiritual, like any other religious organizations do.

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  humbled

  There's a new thread just started--a N.Y. Times article about the defrocked Methodist minister whose personal faith collided with his church.

  Hard to see where you can have a faith inside of you that grows beyond the borders of doctrine still fits in a church.

  Is any religion big enough to house individual growth?
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  Disciplinary Actions

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during a disciplinary procedure, what would the response be if you wanted representation?

  an advocate?.

  why don't they have a group of unbiased men, a prosecutor to present the case against you and an advocate that would represent the accused?

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  humbled

  Thedog1,

  I am fascinated that you are engaging on this topic.

  I df'd after a long series of interviews with elders, and a long wait for Bethel to research and respond to my case.

  The overwhelming realization that got me out was the fear so evident among the men incharge in my congregation when I presented an issue to them that, I see now, had only one outcome: to remain a Witness I had to get rid of my conscience.

  I presented them with a conscience matter that though biblically sound, did not affirm the interpretation in the literature. But that was not in dispute, ultimately. Bethel's response made that clear that my conscience was a thing I could carry in silence in the congregation or else.

  The brothers were evidently not at liberty to reason from the scriptures with me on the matter. the local brothers, that is. I was particularly amazed that a brother, a personal friend and advocate of sorts--and I had thought a man of faith and bravery, was not "open any more". In the first meeting with a large number of elders I asked if I might simply read what verses the bible said and let it go at that--one brother laid his hand on the literature and said: read from this.

  What would you do?

  Not to derail this thread --you can pm me if you like.