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How good a commincator are you on this site?
by new hope and happiness inme i try my best but my spelling is bad and some times i get missunerstood...any funny exsperiences?.
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Inscribed Copper Plates from the Indus alley, May Push the Use of Printing back 3000 yrs.
by fulltimestudent inthese copper plates are from the indus valley civilisation, also known as the harappan civilisation.
as the study indicates:.
the settled life in the indian subcontinent started, as is evident at mehrgarh in baluchistan (jarrige, et al., 1995), around 7000 bc and there has been gradual growth in the cultures culminating into the formation of the harappan culture starting around 4000 bc.. .
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Well--a thoughtful work. I have been "re-writing" my understanding of the bible for years!
On topic now--Harder back in the day of the copper plate writing to re-write--and no scratch paper!
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How good a commincator are you on this site?
by new hope and happiness inme i try my best but my spelling is bad and some times i get missunerstood...any funny exsperiences?.
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I am not certain I am a good communicator.. My life has been changing as well as my view of god. It is a searching through of thoughts, sometimes. So I am not always writing about a thing that is well defined even in my own mind.
Sometimes someone opens a topic or else comments in such a way that it invites conversation. Or sometimes it seems that a remark or viewpoint just invites examination. I say something from my perspective even if it isn't relevant to most people. But if it is to me --I say something. Maybe no one responds. But I know that I read a lot of post without responding to someone's comments--and perhaps their remarks are quite helpful to me-but I don't want to "blight" the thread with a comment--I just want the conversation to flow on...
I am not always clear...maybe not now even
I enjoy it when I see a daring remark--not a cruel one--but one that is brave and open. It is a great thing when communication is encouraged to be wide, free and very honest. Sharp exchanges are very good--but I hope we careful not to discourage tender hearts from talking here.
Probably, this is a good place to become a good communicator--something the WT didn't help us to do.
I am glad I get to talk to you all--and listen.
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Inscribed Copper Plates from the Indus alley, May Push the Use of Printing back 3000 yrs.
by fulltimestudent inthese copper plates are from the indus valley civilisation, also known as the harappan civilisation.
as the study indicates:.
the settled life in the indian subcontinent started, as is evident at mehrgarh in baluchistan (jarrige, et al., 1995), around 7000 bc and there has been gradual growth in the cultures culminating into the formation of the harappan culture starting around 4000 bc.. .
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Fascinating! Clever Indians.
P.S. How'd the essay go? Get it in on Tuesday?
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Am I the youngest one on here?
by Capstone ini finally registered on here after reading on the forum for almost two years on and off (more often the last year).
to give you some background on who i am i can say that i'm a girl in my late teens and live in western europe.
my mom is a jw and my dad is not.
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humbled
Remember what you said in the beginning. YOU ARE YOUNG.
The terrors are worse when you haven't been down the road before. But this is a HUGE thing you are doing. It is not a little thing--But others have done it, and you will too.
You will need to identify a support system as soon as possible --more than one person if possible. For now, make one that school counselor. Really. She is confidential--you need that and-- she started out with you. You need someone to help keep track of your journey. Hold her to her responsibility to you.
And find friend to have FUN with. Yes talk to them--but they are not likely to understand what's up with you. Not really. But do have some good times.
But you must make up your mind that this is a HARD TIME--especially because you have never done anything like it before. And you have no one to help you through it---except here, of course.
But get some flesh and blood to help--do.
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Still no word on Will and Bonnie Gorham?
by humbled insome time ago this couple who had been in the circuit work disappeared--was this the greatest ever fade or what?.
they were remarkable for kindness and good sense.
and humility.
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Sorry--I was away for a while.
Doc and Magnum,
Will Gorham was the Circuit overseer round about Northwest Arkansas here in the U.S. It was around 2003-2006 as best I recall when he and Bonnie were here.
He and she both were quiet. She had a gift with the little children--they drew pictures for her all the time. I believe she would rather have talked to them than a bunch of pioneer sisters. they were slight, spare people. Not at all flashy Her father had been an elder for a long time I believe. Will had graduated Notre Dame or some other reputable Catholic University--again I am not certain. I do know he had been raised Catholic. My guess is that he would have been 50-60, herself younger. I think they came from the Midwest and eastern part of the U.S.
I have looked back often--especially right now--and I wonder if they had some inkling of the road they were treading was crooked. When I first had to talk to someone about the problem of reading and thinking about bible questions, it was Will Gorham I talked to first(and another Brother also in the room,of course).
Even more now than then I am moved by the respect he showed to me. I was no one he knew. A woman janitor at the time dressed for work in ill-fitting clothes who had a spotty service record and an unbelieving mate. He did not speak in a condescending or discouraging manner. He used no "JW speak" in the convesation. He was honest and he encouraged me to continue reading and to address the Brooklynn brothers if my search warranted it. I went out with in service with Bonnie. They were well matched, I think. she was not pushy--but I thought she was sad.
I wish I knew more.
Some people are hard to forget. Another overseer came at the time that things had come to a head for me. None of the elders and certainly not the new overseer treated me with the dignity and honest freedom that Will Gorham had. I just wish I knew they were okay. They were kind to me in the way that counts.
Maeve
BOTR--good to hear from you--Yep--Millions of JWs every where. Just curious if these two have been seen or heard from.
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Still no word on Will and Bonnie Gorham?
by humbled insome time ago this couple who had been in the circuit work disappeared--was this the greatest ever fade or what?.
they were remarkable for kindness and good sense.
and humility.
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Some time ago this couple who had been in the circuit work disappeared--Was this the greatest ever fade or what?
They were remarkable for kindness and good sense. And humility. She was born-in, he was not. He was college educated, an ex-Catholic.
Anyone know if they are quietly doing well? I hope so.
Maeve
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Leaving the JWs, experiencing Christianity and finding freedom! (But it took awhile)
by im_free inthis is my first post here.. i was raised in "the truth", and am an ex-bethelite who worked in brooklyn for several years back in the 90's.
a few years after i left bethel, i started to become disillusioned after doing research about the society and reading crisis of conscience (i know..i wasn't supposed to do that lol).
i eventually stopped attending meetings and going out in service.
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humbled
Good morning, friends.
jhine, Without doubt we have trouble properly tagging our opinions and leaving them for such matters as parting our hair and picking our favorite color. But it is fair to say that there are levels of biblical error that are insubstantial. Yet some that are so corrosive that they overpower our formerly held OPINION. Former theists have had corrosive levels of reasonable doubt penetrate our minds. Doubt that has us fearing on two sides--Is it a dishonor to the concept of a loving and all-powerful God to question Him? Is it a dishonor to a loving and all-merciful God not to ask the questions that are reasonable?
It is fiction to support that the bible is a comprehensive harmonious whole. That is intellectual honesty. That said, it is on another basis, a historical one that some former Christians have turned from Theism. Only last night I read a bit that Dr Ehrman was not thrown off his Christian horse because of the inerrancy issue--Rather he could find no support for the historical validity for the Jesus/Christ/God story being a fact.
I agree that there are atheists who simply look at the mad scramble of the bible and, never having been programmed through a sunday school, find inerrancy is a good enough reason to forego Christianity--
Speaking to a discredited Jesus story and the need to leave the myth out of mankind's future:
Galaxie said, "Is it not about time mankind dismissed this ancient guesswork and concentrate on the good works of our contemporaries who deal with the present and work toward a better future without attaching the outcome to complex and controversial ancient myth?"
Intellectually, this is a great idea. But if we took this statement into the neediest or/and most uneducated neighborhoods of the world--excluding no one for reasons of race, religion, age, sex, or place of national origin you would find your program for good foundering very soon. IN MY OPINION!
Yes, in my opinion, all of us are impelled by some mythos or example--some combination of the hand-me-downs of others whose stories have impressed us. a good grandpa, our mother or father. Perhaps a teacher or a neighbor or family friend. Master-Bob asked this:" If you can judge what is good for your own, then why you need Jesus in the first place?"
Have you ever been in a place so destitute of goodness that there are no good examples that shine bright enough, no education to break through a culture that has become corrupt of generousity? And one that is poor. Why has the Jesus story persisted? It has transcended these barriers. And I have to say this, too: the Jesus stories have tremendous power for this huge reason--the forgiveness .
I put this out there because in my area, there are not enough mental health worker to provide even stop-gap measures for deeply damaged individuals, families, communities. Some need to feel clean. The best of the teachings of a good teacher are as wonderful and empowering as a miracle of physical healing. "Clean the inside of the cup that the outside might be clean also"--whether or not it was original to Jesus or not, this teaching has affected my life.
It is a subject worthy of discussion to ask ourselves if we were shaped in any way that was good by the words of Jesus' teaching. Our cultire hasn't outgrown the need for a rallying point, examples/teachers that transcends our experience. Does he/she have to be divine and born of a virgin?
These are just thoughts. The world still needs saving even if there is no Savior. I wonder about that.
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Leaving the JWs, experiencing Christianity and finding freedom! (But it took awhile)
by im_free inthis is my first post here.. i was raised in "the truth", and am an ex-bethelite who worked in brooklyn for several years back in the 90's.
a few years after i left bethel, i started to become disillusioned after doing research about the society and reading crisis of conscience (i know..i wasn't supposed to do that lol).
i eventually stopped attending meetings and going out in service.
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jhine and Master_Bob
Read the fine parsing between the learned doctors of faith who make distinctions between inerrancy and infallibillity! Do THEY want to stay in tight with the orthodox church.
What the HELL! Getting an education is not the death knell to opinion-based religious views.
IT'S ALL OPINIONS if you are talking about what to do about any facts concerning "inspired" writing.
Chales Kraft is educated--he has some non-mainstream views of christian life.
Bruce Metzger does believe in the incarnation and resurrection of Jesus inspite of his scholarship which showed the errors in Christian texts.
A student of his, (as I understand) Bart Erhman, does NOT believe that Jesus was God-in-the-flesh OR resurrected on a third day.
Erhman's opinion is that there was a historical Jesus, yet states that he and many other scholars feel that "Jesus did not spend his ministry declaring himself to be divine"
Cofty's opinion is that Jesus was an ego-maniac who misled people.
I believe something else.
At some point we all form some opinion or other once we are even EXPOSED to this material.
No one on this board can escape forming an opinion--EVEN IF WE ARE WELL EDUCATED.
(It is just that some of us have to believe that dinosaurs lived with humans to hold certain opinions--and THAT is an opinion that is hard to respect.)
so what do I mean?
jhine, Opinion. Wha if the Book of Job is served up as "inerrant/infallible"--these words do not matter. There is no imprimatur that makes those pronouncements true--whatever "true" means.
It wears me out to chase down the theological mish-mash and fine points---Can you imagine evn a DIVINE Jesus pushing this BS on working people?
I can not.
Let's get together and sing and dance. to hell with the rest. And if Jesus said some good things? DO THEM. and teach them. Does it matter if he was divine?
In my opinion , NO.
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Heard it from a friends JW mother
by Still Totally ADD inthe other day we went to our friends business to have our computer worked on.
our friend was raised a jw but never got baptized and left when he was in his late teens.
any way we started talking about the new jw.org and the new tv show they have.
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humbled
The Mormons have been on this for years as some may have noted already.
Years back I was invited to go to the local meeting place on the U. of Arkansas campus to watch a televised tie-in to their General Conference where, among other talks, their Living Prophet spoke to the LDS faithful.
Check out "October 2014 LDS General Conference" online and see what may be the future for JWs.