Posts by humbled

Having some policy continue from one president to another suddenly become "the worst thing ever" because the new President wasn't your choice in the election shows to me that people don't really care about the issue concerned so much as they want to use it as a political football.—Simon

My frustration, Simon, is that I will take as much time as I can to carefully craft my post so that it is specific to an issue. I don’t see any point in fighting about left and right Democrat and Republican.
I posted a remark not long ago about the distinction between past presidents and the border and the recent policy of separation of families—as you mention above. But a reasonable comment is largely a waste of time. A thought that can’t be used as a target or as cannon fodder is pretty much ignored.

The issues of immigration, incarceration, radical Islam are topics that concern me. But the overall value of sharing information and thinking about these subject in this forum is compromised critically by the rapid conversion of the OP into a match between the righties and the lefties. I object!

I have looked back at old old conversations some present others not...and the difference is night and day. heartbreaking and beautiful to read the kindly and yet strong exchange of posters long ago.

What happened to us?

Certainly common courtesy is so rare now that when there rises such behavior it stands out as a remarkable event. Truly.

The only time in recent memory that l recall such courtesy was crusty cofty in his upright manner asking that l verify the source for a strong statement l had made. When I complied he simply posted “Thank you for that” —a courtesy so remarkable in this present climate as to be heroic.

l have had moments on this board when l have changed my thinking on certain very important topics or belief. (That’s kind of amazing.)The verbal combat was, well, combative. Because it wasn’t a play game sometimes there were terrific injuries. But the points were fairly made. The points hit marks without the poison. These discussions burned long and hot but were valuable in that they allowed for digression enough to be thorough but they kept to a point. They let you think.

Just as poison arrows are used when the hunter is not able to strike the vitals. l have discovered a viewpoint delivered with toxic rhetoric and insult have not the power to strike the heart of a matter. If the speaker relies on poison to destroy another’s thought it prejudices the matter in my mind.

I guess l have said plenty even if l do have a lot more l would say. But l have to say this:

l have spent a good deal of time on this board searching through others thoughts and my own since l arrived after I left the Watchtower. I never was just killing time —l have waitied out a cancer treatment here , sorted my religious belief one winter/spring and now recently l have been rebuilding life after a violent assault in the family that may finally have divided us forever. But the board doesn’t feel as safe to me anymore. Boohoo, right? I say l am shameless but l am not without feelings.

I will watch to see what develops. Certainly with the ups and downs l have had in family life a moment when so many others have stepped forward with their concerns is rather a moment of hope than otherwise. It is an opportunity for a good turn to come.

We certainly need it.

l do love you all.

Maeve

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Americans, be happy with Trump, Europe lost it.

by fulano in

look at what is happening in europe now, the filth that is trying to enter here.. https://youtu.be/putezss32m8.

uk.... https://youtu.be/jbvxndnd4t4.

humbled

however who shows compassion to the USA?.... Many say we need to show compassion, however who shows compassion to the USA? —krismalone

That is a standalone question, Kris.

Many people say “charity begins at home“. But what happens when that charity doesn’t begin at home? When there isn’t a good heart for our own!

You can see how the first thing the authorities said to justify the separation of the children from Central America—They compared it to children who are taken from US moms and dads locked up in U.S.prisons!

This country is not well known for policies that encourage U.S. prisoners contact with their children.— snd that is wrong.. wrong unless there was abuse.

While each state has their own prison system the stories do not vary by much: price gouging on phone service (as witnessed when immigrants wanted to try contacting children by phone. The phone cards were $25 and it cost $8 a minute. Though it was somewhat better in Arkansas a few years ago, it was a hardship to families). Prisoners in some states receive no pay for prison labor (zero compensation in Arkansas which gave rise to the Arkansas Tainted blood scandal in the1980s) The vast distances for families to travel to renew contact make it hard to incentivize prisoners and family to stay together. The families loose s bread winner ( contrary to myth most incarcerated citizens were employed when they were arrested) and now suffer extra expenses if they would stay in touch. Some prisoners in for long term simply tell family to cut them off —it costs them too much to stay connected.

The foster care systems are clogged with broken families. One in 11 children have an incarcerated parent in this state.

People who need help may have “issues” that make some well wishers feel uncertain about extending help. As l said before , shitty situations can make a shitty parent —or make them seem so. Children removed from such parents may be heartbroken because they know their mom or dad are actually doing the very best that they can to care for them.There are some who work in child welfare that recognize it is better by far to do an intervention, help the families, instead of taking away their children.

But people in the US don’t often feel compassion on these families. They hear that families have an ex-con in them or children who have been in trouble, moms who struggle with addiction and many people are resentful “ No one ever helped me! Why should they get help for making bad decisions! Let them work for it like me!”

lt really is not the undocumented are getting all the love, taking the funds. The truth is there is no real sympathy for struggling folks in America when they can’t look like an Oliver Twist or a Jane Eyre.

And absolutely look at the link to the article supplied by whynot .

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Americans, be happy with Trump, Europe lost it.

by fulano in

look at what is happening in europe now, the filth that is trying to enter here.. https://youtu.be/putezss32m8.

uk.... https://youtu.be/jbvxndnd4t4.

humbled

Some of the illegals coming into Canada from the US have nicer luggage than I do.

Then you should shop the Salvation Army Thrift or Goodwill. Excellent on College Ave. Fayetteville, AR

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Suman Virk - mother of bullied and murdered child passes away

by sillygirlforgotpassword in

obituary: suman virk, the mother who forgave her daughter's killer http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44562746.

i came across this interesting, sad article detailing a case of a runaway child who was murdered in canada.

apparently she had been raised as a jw.

humbled

Great point, Diogenesister.

The WT has zero tolerance for this kind of involvement with churches. We had a local elder in our area though not in my congregation ( Anointed !) who kept watch over this sort of independence activity. He emphatically reviewed how such involvement with false religion undermined the stand that Jehovah’s people had suffered persecution for in the past.

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Cults in our Midst

by Lee Elder in

this is related to a comment i made in a previous thread.

cults exist in many diverse parts of society.

this includes politics.

humbled

One of my biggest disappointments waking up was that politics (at least in the US) is utter BS. . . . . oh well. . —Breakfast of Champions

That is what l feel too, BOC. US politics can’t recover because of the money involved ( big corporations allowed to contribute and lobby). That insures that candidates will conduct themselves with their owners interest in mind. Running a campaign costs.

That alone has been enough to make BS of democracy.

We are-including the politicians —pieces in someone else’s Monopoly game .

l know this isn’t on topic.,just had to agree with you.

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I Ain't Got No Religion No More ... (But I Like to Get Myself Some Gospel Music)

by Simon in

i love gospel music.

i don't feel like i need to believe in "jebus" to appreciate the music.

i can't go into a gospel church because i might just get religion again - that or i'll be grabbing the mic on be on the stage waving my hands and praising the lord.. i particularly like dylan's gospel period.

humbled

https://youtu.be/y8AWFf7EAc4

hi, sail away. I love it too.

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The other Border

by Wonderment in

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humbled

Simon—We have enough Mexicans to be your Mexicans !

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Immigration: The Truth about the LIe - CRIME

by Wonderment in

immigration: the truth about the lie: crimecrime: do immigrants increase rates of violence?

there has been a lot of talk about how immigrants pose a threat to the safety of this country by increasing crime rates.

is there any truth to this, or is it "fake news.

humbled

One cannot say that people from a given country are criminal. That's just nonsense, and I don't need a study or numbers to back that up. Being human is enough proof.

Jeezus, you have a brass neck , Scratchme.

Amen.

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Immigration: The Truth about the LIe - CRIME

by Wonderment in

immigration: the truth about the lie: crimecrime: do immigrants increase rates of violence?

there has been a lot of talk about how immigrants pose a threat to the safety of this country by increasing crime rates.

is there any truth to this, or is it "fake news.

humbled

The real question should be ... do illegal immigrants increase rates of violence?

illegals are the quiet ones in my area. I know some (Hispanics)The crime rates seem to come in the following generations. The ones that are “privileged Americans” if they do not get an education and get away from violence.

In Germany pitched battles with death and injuries are fought in the streets by migrant clans on a daily basis; there does not a week goes by that young females are not raped, murdered by "New Germans" .---

Messed up young Muslim men? A special subset, l think.