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  How Cold is it Where You Are?

  by PYRAMIDSCHEME in

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  with the polar vortex swirling further and further south and breaking records how cold is it where you are?.

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  here in gettysburg pa last night night we hit a low of -4 degrees but we were blessed with some wind that dropped the wind chill down to -22..

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  It's the southern part of the U.S. where I live. N.W. Arkansas. The past few nights were in the single digits for us.

  One of our water lines froze.

  Our red hen was so cold that she sat down at my feet when I fed them yesterday. I took her in by the wood stove and warmed her. That evening she reported in for an overnight bed in the house. When the rooster saw her this morning he warmed himself with some hot chicken-love as soon as her feet hit the ground.

  SHEESH! Not cold enough to stop some things.....

  It's 23 f. now. Looking for it to get above freezing today.
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  marriage without affection/sex/touching

  by zeb in

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  yes thats my situation.

  some where along the path of life the wt guilt trip was dumped on our marriage and we havent had sex for years.. anyone else?

  the hearts and flowers and gifts and doing the cleaning, the house work and paying the daily accounts never being drunk on drugs playing the horses or screwing others yep its all there but nothing coming back due to the wt guilt trip.. they made so much of 'oral sex' and 'pornea' incorrectly quoted at that and ventured thereby into areas they were patently very ill equipped to comment on.

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  TD--
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  Where else is there to go?

  by snare&racket in

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  when i left the jw's, close friends and some elders discussed my desicion with me,without fail they all concluded the same thing.... "but where else is there to go?!".

  at the time, the question just confused me, i could not see why it confused me or the very telling nature of such a comment.

  i never thought that once.. firstly, this indicates that many jw's remain jw's simply because of this tunnel vision perspective... everything in their periphery is valueless, but the wt on which they focus is everthing.

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  Right on, Snare,

  So many remarks in OP reflected the last comments the elders had for me--and I didn't have an answer. I just knew that shutting down one's conscience was spiritual death any way...

  Good to review the fear that used to govern our 'choices' inside the Halls of so called "Truth"--

  Maeve
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  marriage without affection/sex/touching

  by zeb in

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  yes thats my situation.

  some where along the path of life the wt guilt trip was dumped on our marriage and we havent had sex for years.. anyone else?

  the hearts and flowers and gifts and doing the cleaning, the house work and paying the daily accounts never being drunk on drugs playing the horses or screwing others yep its all there but nothing coming back due to the wt guilt trip.. they made so much of 'oral sex' and 'pornea' incorrectly quoted at that and ventured thereby into areas they were patently very ill equipped to comment on.

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  I've been married 38 years, my husband is 19 years older than I am. I was a JW for 22 years. He and I have 7 children.

  We have had PLENTY of trouble in our marriage. But I think it wrong to use sex as a weapon in marriage. If troubles are not being dealt with and you need to address them--don't withhold sex and think you will maake a point.

  I had a legal separation from my husband--no sex then, of course. The matters we had to deal with went beyond sex.

  I know non-JW couples who do not have sex. It causes a level of tension and sadness. They work together and are admirable in many ways--but in all three cases the women have shut it down.

  I think it is fair to say that even if a woman is not "into it" that much(and maybe more especially)a man appreciates/needs your gift.--Get a bottle of scotch or some wine and say "Welcome home, baby" and turn off the lights.
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  How Long Have You Been Viewing Thiis Site? Does It Serve Its Purpose For You?

  by minimus in

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  i've been here forever.... this site still gives us some of the most up to date info about jws .

  it keeps evolving.

  sometimes it is the place to be and i think that's especially true for newbies.

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  Approaching 4 years. I joined the moment I found the site. I never looked for information outside the Borg until I divorced the WBTS for unreconcilable differences.

  My first name here was Not a Captive.

  No internet for @ two years, then, much humbled, I reappeared as Humbled.

  The people on this site have nursed me through many different phases. I have learned and explored through discussions here. I have researched and read. I have thought and lived through so much since leaving the soul-bruising WT. And I have said things here that were hard to say, things hard to admit.

  I love this community. Yes, I do.

  Maeve Courteau
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

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  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  The events of 26th Dec. 2004 raise a difficult question for theism. I want to investigate possible answers.--cofty

  Although you might not be investigating along the fairly broad range that I am exploring, here are my thoughts:

  Increasingly I am attracted to the simple theism the Jarawa tribe has found: the sea god tries to eat them. Apparently they don't have theologians clever enough to talk them out of this point of view.

  That said, they probably would get a kick out of hearing Job argue with his Theo about a particular natural event--a cyclone.

  The book of Job (the fellow wasn't an Israelite, btw) seems to have had somewhat the same uneasy feelings of Theo after the cyclone. After all, he had grown up with conventional views of Theo (though, when pressed on the matter, he confessed to certain observations of Theo's unfairness). But Job didn't find Theo to be very kind even though Job was very considerate of Theo. A cyclone killed all his children and left him with a wife that was even less impressed with Theo than he was. We all remember her advice: "Curse God and die!"

  The book is a paean (sp?) to the power of Nature--and the unknowable-ness of Theo.

  I have read that the ancient editors of the OT in David's court didn't touch the Book of Job. The old story is cryptic and misfit. Although it looks to me that the editors went ahead to ascribe motive to Theo's actions, talked about the courts of heaven, Satan, etc. But all we hear from Job is that his family's the disaster left him speechless after the event.

  That was honest.

  I would love to know what he said to his wife. and that is the problem, isn't it?

  I would love to know what the Jarawans would say about this story.

  I search for that answer myself.
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  After 44 years I finally found and spoke to my old prison buddy!

  by Terry in

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  i have had very few mentors in my life.

  i love each of them dearly.. one such was a man a bit older than me named tollie padget.. .

  tollie was the rarest of rare birds.

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  Good of you to reach out to him--since he is still "in prison".

  I,too, wrote to an old mentor. She couldn't/didn't write back. but I still love her for her kindness. she was in so many ways contrary to the Organization--even hurt by it.

  I'm sorry, Terry.
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

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  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  The tsunami does raise a problem for my world view, especially because I am NOT a Biblical theist.

  I am grateful for this forum--it allows for discussion. But it is obvious to me who am sickened at the tortured death of people in the tsunami that we are locked onto the computation of certain ideas of a biblical god's culpability to such a point that we can't move far past it. We are not able in this thread to ask ourselves if saving people is solely on a god and not on us.

  If we fail to pass along the knowledge we have to live safely and protect others, that is HIS fault?. Those who died lacked--through no fault of their own--knowledge so basic that stone-age men possessed it for eons.

  It is interesting to note that the islanders drive civilized humans away from their land with bows and arrows. Apparently they are content to deal with their ruthless sea-god on their own terms--and live.

  Edit: Hello, tec! It is a wild ride to freedom. I am glad you recognize that I am not an atheist but as I mentioned before, not a biblical theist. I am more in the way of looking at the wild representation of the Job-god. Not even a reflection of the Hebrew god. Kinda strange. That Job story has a tacted on beginning and end, imo. But that is quite a bit what we all do to our natural observations. (Still love the Carpenter)

  We fuss about a loving god --and die--scolding each other along the way.

  It bothers my world view.
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

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  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  Apognophos, This is probably not a discussion I should be in.

  I never signed on that God was your idea of god. It is not clear to me that a generally great place to live(earth) was set up by an individual.

  Job had his complaints of god and god never explained what or why he did anything. The story could be a description of blind natural energy. Humans try to make sense of it.

  I am astonished that no one cares how ancient the knowledge was that was not carried forward that might have saved lives.

  Are we really this disfunctional?
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

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  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  No, cofty, I am not blaming the victims neither making the case for a god who is plotting world events.

  I am disturbed that we are so hung up on the idea that god is the mover and shaker in this at all.

  I am disgusted that we aren't doing better than arguing about whether or not GOD is to blame.

  The islanders do better--they believe the ocean god gets hungry and eats them from time to time. they make it their business to avoid being eaten.

  why can't we do the same?

  Help each other deal with reality---