Good to hear from you, GoUnion,
Hello and hang on.
There is a lot of support here---and a lot of rough "weather" at times.
Maeve
hello everyone it's nice to finally be able to post i had trouble getting emails last month and was never able to sign up.
this has been a very informative site which has really helped me grow and to think for myself.
please allow me to introduce myself.. i was born into a witness family and was baptized at a young age an was part of a small kingdom hall.
Good to hear from you, GoUnion,
Hello and hang on.
There is a lot of support here---and a lot of rough "weather" at times.
Maeve
7 years ago i started on a path i had long ago given up on as impossible.
i met with my elders and told them i could not justify carrying on as a jw.
i went and got my high school qualifications and my higher education diploma (a levels with distinction) in just 12 months.
Doctor Snare.
Congratulations!
The peculiar triumph on top of everything else--you had to throw off the weight that easily ensnares: the whole soul-sucking WT Thing . And then start from scratch.
Very, very good. Really proud of you.
Go on, fella. Go on!
it is very difficult to knock a ball into a hole (like golf), throw it into a receiver's hands (american football) intercept it and knock it over the fence (american cricket).
or to put a sattelite at the right time at the right speed in the right direction in the right place to have it orbit another body, so :.
what ingenious natural & process is it, than can get 9+ zillions bodies to get into the right orbit simultaniously or sequentially and have them remain there for billions of years?
S&R,
A deer instead of a bull (It ran in front of son's truck) we eat in your honor. And a virtual hug from GramMaeve (((SnarlR))).
I'm not up to the discussion, but watching from the sidelines...
the hope of a better world is what attracted me (and likely many of you other loiterers (grin) on this site) into the mental mindtrap of christian thought.
i guess its understandable, re-reading the words that the author of the matthew gospel that we know as the sermon on the mount, its easy to think, that if jesus ruled the world, everything would be ok.. i'm still interested in a better world.
so have many other thinkers (and revolutionaries).
FTS,
When living in the home place has nothing left but drudgery then the young do leave in every country. It happens here as someone pointed out above.
A troubling matter for land use is that the traditional use of land by indigenous people may not be documented and the government or corporations can take it over "legally". This of course happened in the U.S. and it is hardly ever even given a thought.
The land never can return to the sons and daughters of those who live on the flanks of hills and rivers.
Money will rule mens lives. Not the earth, the wind, water, and sun.
And we are able as you have mentioned to lift the burdens off each other's backs with simple inventions--but again as you said: there's no money in it.
But, in time, money won't give us the earth,water, and air that we sold away.
We do have to value the ones who have lived close to the earth without title to it--they have some natural entitlement, don't they?
a lucid exposition of a man's breaking free:.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upwh4d3bxji.
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Great, I will make sure my family sees this.
Truth brought me in and eventually took me out of the WBTS.
the hope of a better world is what attracted me (and likely many of you other loiterers (grin) on this site) into the mental mindtrap of christian thought.
i guess its understandable, re-reading the words that the author of the matthew gospel that we know as the sermon on the mount, its easy to think, that if jesus ruled the world, everything would be ok.. i'm still interested in a better world.
so have many other thinkers (and revolutionaries).
Just Visiting--
Just because the WT baited their "hooks" with valid human concerns should not innoculate us to the need to address those needs now that we are free to do it--- without waiting for Jah's "Big A" to make things right.
Maeve
recent happenings close to home bewilder me by day, terrify me by night.
i am immersed in the profound waters of doubt and, sometimes, despair, as i struggle swimmingly to a far off shore that itself is encased in black mist.. yet, the shroud of fog does rise.
i am able to see outward, through the windows to my soul.
The loss of one's sense of purpose and the significance of life: memories and our meaning to others. What are we now in this world of others?
The re-shuffling of who we are NOW after the disillusion of our religion and the dissolution of our old self is a difficult event--not a task, really. It seems not a thing I am doing but rather a thing happening to me. As you say, an observer on shore.
That is what your thought pulled out of me, Coco.
Take care Coco.
Maeve
where in the christian greek scriptures do disciples of christ record how many hours a month they preached.. " " " " 10 hours for women and children and slack husbands with no ambition.
" " " " do they record how many back calls / return visits they made in a month.. " " " " have they set down how many bible studys they had in a month.. " " " " do they have pioneers ,special pioneers , aux.pioneers , with goals to reach each month.. " " " " do they have d.o.
, c.o., zone servants , etc.etc.. " " " " where in the christian greek scriptures is the word " organisation" applied to christianity.
This is RIGHT ON THE MARK, Smiddy.
Yes, Jgnat. Women and reading? Not happening in 1st century. Serving one another and eating together? These are so carefully managed by the Overseers of WT that it's ridiculous.
Aarrggghh!
Sir82, Good point! First century? Christianity was all over the place and totally unhomogenized!
BUT! as wasblind points out: The WT has pictures to prove their version of reality!
It proves that a picture is worth a thousand words--especially if no one is allowed to research outside The Society's literature/picture books. (like who care to really read it)
Maeve
the hope of a better world is what attracted me (and likely many of you other loiterers (grin) on this site) into the mental mindtrap of christian thought.
i guess its understandable, re-reading the words that the author of the matthew gospel that we know as the sermon on the mount, its easy to think, that if jesus ruled the world, everything would be ok.. i'm still interested in a better world.
so have many other thinkers (and revolutionaries).
Thanks for posting this, fullimestudent.
Can a better world be achieved if relatively wealthy people do not realize that no human potential should languish for doing laundry (or hours of other tedious chores) while we who use--what?--14 or 22 times the resources?
Can there be a better world if the wealthy ones in the "Air Line" not see the time, the lives of the poor as being valuable as our own?
No and no.
We cannot mine the world's resources, displacing native peoples, exploiting whole nations or groups for the convenience of modern life and think that this can be sustained.
Yes to the Sermon on the Mount. Yes to anyone who teaches us to be fair and satisfied with more just distribution of the worlds resources.
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This is connected to that thread on inequality of last week, somehow.
...and no, it is not justin bieber peeing his initials in the snow.. .
Good morning! Good fun!
Maeve