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  God Is Love

  by under_believer in

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  a meditation on love, using only scriptures.

  from the nwt, for easy readability for any witness readers out there.

  1 john 4:8 - he that does not love has not come to know god, because god is love.. .

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  Terry and James, I aplogize for any misunderstandings on my part. I have read and reread your follow posts several times to understand what you are saying completely. I will be honest that I don't completely but to the extent possible, you believe in a god but perhaps not the God of the Bible. I don't know if that is from the witnesses or what but it is also not my job to judge anyone and I apologize if I came off that way. One of the problems with me and my small mind is I can't completely understand and read people. I was also not lashing out at you and please don't take it that way. I was just trying to say that I know pain and suffering, but to me it was not the fault of the God that I worship in the Bible. I understand you, that you have a God that you feel is supreme, but not the same God that I worship in the sense of Him being the author of the Bible. I feel that religion is as Karl Marx put it " religion is the opium of the people". I see religion doing more damage than good in many cases, not all. My heartfelt desire for all of us, that one day we can all find peace in God, whether it be Jehovah or whoever and that one day, when all the dust settles, the True God will have revealed Himself as the loving God that He is and everything that all of mankind has suffered will be explained to our simple minds and satisfied as to why it happened and be removed so we can all move forward in worship of the One who does deserve it. I honestly believe that there is no way of completely understanding what and why things happen and that whatever God has in store for us. None of us can figure it out now, but what is coming will be beyond our wildest imaginations to our benefit. Peace to all of us.

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  God Is Love

  by under_believer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a meditation on love, using only scriptures.

  from the nwt, for easy readability for any witness readers out there.

  1 john 4:8 - he that does not love has not come to know god, because god is love.. .

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  Ringo, frankiespeakinm, under believer, and all those that I have ticked off by my personal belief in a loving God. I am sorry that I have upset, I have had seen plenty in my life, I don't feel that God loves me and not those who live in parts of the world that are war torn or people starving. I have seen plenty of hard ship. You can read my post and see that I too was put through the ringer as a witness. At age 6-8 I was sexually molested, had my father hold a shotgun to my head. my parents put me up for adoption at age one only to change their minds at the last minute. I had my ex cheat on me as a witness, seen the elders make sure I buried my mother with a broken heart as they tried to DF her 19 days before she died of colon and liver cancer, seen my sisters husband cheat on her and get her DF'd, stole her kids away from her. Was df'd for just simply moving on with my life after my ex cheated on me and walked away exonerated in MENS eyes. I have been cheated monetarily and many many other things in life. Had to put myself in a mental hospital for two weeks and months of therapy as my TEAM of therapist said my childhood was the worse they ever heard of. But never did I blame God for it, it was humans who did it to me. And if I have to suffer in this life time, for one lifetime, it does not negate the fact that their is a God who can and will wipe all this from my mind and heart. If I held a quarter up to you and asked you what you saw, if you said heads, you would be right but to me i would see tails, and I would be right. Depending on where we stand in life both can be right, from my standpoint I am right and from yours you are right. SOOOOOOOOO to ME, even with everything I have gone through in life, to me there is a loving God that has not caused the horrific things that I have experienced and I know that one day he will make right what all of mankind including your anger and hardship that was caused by other humans to be erased. Trust me, I have seen hardship and know pain like most probably have not had to know. But that doesn't mean I don't have faith in the one who hasn't caused it. I wish you all the best and respect your viewpoint and hopefully you can do the same for me. take care and wish you well
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  God Is Love

  by under_believer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a meditation on love, using only scriptures.

  from the nwt, for easy readability for any witness readers out there.

  1 john 4:8 - he that does not love has not come to know god, because god is love.. .

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  Who are we to check the hand of the Most High, we are so finite and dont understand hardly anything in the end, very small minds. I still believe that we don't understand everything but I understand enough not to question the Almighty and when all the dust settles, there will be an explanation. That is what my faith says, I still believe he is a God of love, waking up tomorrow to an earth still rotating and food and a hope proves that to me. I trust the Bible and my God through Christ.

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  Deception in the Elder/MS Appointment Arrangement

  by deaconbluez in

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  the society claims that all appointments of elders and ministerial servants in the congregation are made by holy spirit.

  now, the inexperienced or new witness is under the impression that jehovah, by means of his holy spirit, puts it into the hearts and minds of the body of elders that so-and-so is ready to serve, and the appointment happens accordingly.. but they actually employ a sort of deception with this process, because when they say, "holy spirit directs all appointments of men in the congregation", they actually mean that each brother considered for appointment is examined to see if he has the qualities listed by paul in his letter to timothy about the qualities of congregation shepherds.

  so they reason that since that writing of paul's was inspired by holy spirit, then by extension, the appointments which happen as a result of using that list of qualities to examine an individual, the appointment is made by holy spirit.. this is like saying that people are hand-picked by simon for american idol because the regional producers of the show use a list of things to look for in contestants and that list just happened to be written by simon.

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  What about following Jah in Ps 130:3,4

  3 If errors were what you watch, O Jah,
  O Jehovah, who could stand?

  4 For there is the [true] forgiveness with you,
  In order that you may be feared.

  I don't care what the sin unless it has been murder or the like, what about not keeping track of the sin, obviously they felt bad even to come forth. No where do I see HS directing these pompous men in following Jah or Christ in forgiving others. Anyway who do they think they are to not show forgiveness of sympathy? They don't need the elders forgiveness, it doesnt mean anything anyway, heck you might as well go find a priest if you believe in that.
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  how can we answer them?

  by Cordelia in

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  i've tried and i've tried now i need help, how do you answer:.

  jws who think it's fantastic that jeh is providing this new light all the time, i say about the rev book amongst other things and they just think it's a sign they are in the right religon coz '''what other religon would admit it's faults?

  '' doesnt matter they been studing wrong light last time!!.

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  Thanks Terry for all the hard work with that info, I have cut and pasted it to my harddrive, I want to savor all the info. Excellent work.

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  Deception in the Elder/MS Appointment Arrangement

  by deaconbluez in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the society claims that all appointments of elders and ministerial servants in the congregation are made by holy spirit.

  now, the inexperienced or new witness is under the impression that jehovah, by means of his holy spirit, puts it into the hearts and minds of the body of elders that so-and-so is ready to serve, and the appointment happens accordingly.. but they actually employ a sort of deception with this process, because when they say, "holy spirit directs all appointments of men in the congregation", they actually mean that each brother considered for appointment is examined to see if he has the qualities listed by paul in his letter to timothy about the qualities of congregation shepherds.

  so they reason that since that writing of paul's was inspired by holy spirit, then by extension, the appointments which happen as a result of using that list of qualities to examine an individual, the appointment is made by holy spirit.. this is like saying that people are hand-picked by simon for american idol because the regional producers of the show use a list of things to look for in contestants and that list just happened to be written by simon.

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  becca1 , that is so unfair, Jesus said whatever you measure out will be measured to you. Unbelievable conduct by what? Loving shepherds, yeah right, what about HS appointing them as MS and pioneer? It shows the HS didn't appoint then, wasn't there for the JCase either, sad example of following the Master and only true shepherd of Christians
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  Deception in the Elder/MS Appointment Arrangement

  by deaconbluez in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the society claims that all appointments of elders and ministerial servants in the congregation are made by holy spirit.

  now, the inexperienced or new witness is under the impression that jehovah, by means of his holy spirit, puts it into the hearts and minds of the body of elders that so-and-so is ready to serve, and the appointment happens accordingly.. but they actually employ a sort of deception with this process, because when they say, "holy spirit directs all appointments of men in the congregation", they actually mean that each brother considered for appointment is examined to see if he has the qualities listed by paul in his letter to timothy about the qualities of congregation shepherds.

  so they reason that since that writing of paul's was inspired by holy spirit, then by extension, the appointments which happen as a result of using that list of qualities to examine an individual, the appointment is made by holy spirit.. this is like saying that people are hand-picked by simon for american idol because the regional producers of the show use a list of things to look for in contestants and that list just happened to be written by simon.

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  Juni, very good point,

  There are those members who do not know the flip side of some of the elders. So they think they are appointed by h. spirit.

  If the members of the congr only knew, they would get up and walk out of many parts being conducted by these two faced elders and MS's.
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  Deception in the Elder/MS Appointment Arrangement

  by deaconbluez in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the society claims that all appointments of elders and ministerial servants in the congregation are made by holy spirit.

  now, the inexperienced or new witness is under the impression that jehovah, by means of his holy spirit, puts it into the hearts and minds of the body of elders that so-and-so is ready to serve, and the appointment happens accordingly.. but they actually employ a sort of deception with this process, because when they say, "holy spirit directs all appointments of men in the congregation", they actually mean that each brother considered for appointment is examined to see if he has the qualities listed by paul in his letter to timothy about the qualities of congregation shepherds.

  so they reason that since that writing of paul's was inspired by holy spirit, then by extension, the appointments which happen as a result of using that list of qualities to examine an individual, the appointment is made by holy spirit.. this is like saying that people are hand-picked by simon for american idol because the regional producers of the show use a list of things to look for in contestants and that list just happened to be written by simon.

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  I was an elder and I remember sitting through these meetings with the CO and the meetings prior to the CO and the one subject that ALWAYS came up was their field service time. No one was appointed to either MS or elder if they didn't have the average or better of 10 hours. This always haunted me as there is NO field service arrangement qualifications for either appointment. I have seen plenty of men be appointed who didn't measure up on these issues and especially when no one was around to notice the things that Paul mentioned but average at least 10 hours a month whether legitimately counted or not. I never could go along with this and think that when Paul said older man, he meant older man. I have seen the inexperience of myself when I use to be an elder and the inexperience of others who made it by the 30 year old mark. In the OT Jehovah was careful to put the age of certain services in the army or temple. Those ages didn't mean they were an older man, actually some of it meant that they were a younger man full of vitalilty. FS hours should have never been the measuring stick and it always was.

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  co or co2?-Dumbest thing ever said by CO

  by avidbiblereader in

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  what is the stupidest thing you ever heard a co or his wife say that the faithful followed like steer to the slaughter?.

  smurfs were demonic and one stuffed animal smurf walked out of the hall, they are demonic and you need to throw it all away if you have any of them.. my ex smashed every glass that we collected from hardee's in the trash..

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  I am sure there is a lot they wish wasn't repeated, thanks Blondie. We had a CO come through and said he could tell there was wrongdoing in the congr and that he could tell God HS wasn't there. We had couple after couple confessing wrongdoing, what a farce, you could do that any given day anywhere. He was the most feared Witness ever. People viewed him as a prophet, he always bragged about his fellowship and association with the GB and liked to use Greek words. Never felt him as I would like Christ., warm and friendly.

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  co or co2?-Dumbest thing ever said by CO

  by avidbiblereader in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what is the stupidest thing you ever heard a co or his wife say that the faithful followed like steer to the slaughter?.

  smurfs were demonic and one stuffed animal smurf walked out of the hall, they are demonic and you need to throw it all away if you have any of them.. my ex smashed every glass that we collected from hardee's in the trash..

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  avidbiblereader

  What is the stupidest thing you ever heard a CO or his wife say that the faithful followed like steer to the slaughter?

  Smurfs were demonic and one stuffed animal smurf walked out of the Hall, they are demonic and you need to throw it all away if you have any of them.

  My ex smashed every glass that we collected from Hardee's in the trash.