The WTS says that the 4 living creatures around God's throne are symbolic and the 24 elders are also symbolic but the 144,000 are literal. In the vision John is merely describing what he saw. 144,000 of this and 4 of that and 24 of the other. John does not make a distinction in the way he enumerating the persons/creatures of the vision. So the WTS interpretations of what John saw are simply contradictory.
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The 144,000 is symbolic - it makes so much sense!
by cultswatter inthe wts says that the 4 living creatures around god's throne are symbolic and the 24 elders are also symbolic but the 144,000 are literal.
in the vision john is merely describing what he saw.
john does not make a distinction in the way he enumerating the persons/creatures of the vision.
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What next?
by jefferywhat inso in the last year two major qfr came out, one on the fds not being any more special than the gc in terms of enlightenment and the second being that 1935 is no longer a "thing".
this was followed up with a change of the generation being the fds.
then numbers go up this year and apparently, alot of the new converts in the fertile lands of mexico are claiming to be of the anointed.
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Jwfacts
I think the WTS has invested too heavily in the 144,000 as literal number. I mean it makes so much sense!
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144 000 blasted by the MATH (WT lying again)
by hamsterbait ini just took nathan natas chart for numbers of memorial partakers since 1935.. i worked out that on average 823 new partakers have been added every year since 1936, whilst on average 716 have been dying each year.. what is especially interesting, is that when the total of new partaker numbers almost exactly matches that given in w96 15/8 p31 for 1935, is in the year 1995 - they year they began to deliberately create the fog around the "generation" teaching.
(i used actual figures, not averages here).
i am now convinced that they have been paving the way for the feb 15 noolite since then.. i disregarded the figure for 1935 itself, since the witchtower gives two figures for partakers -.
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cultswatter
I've already found out exactly how the WTS calculated the partakers since 1950. I made the discovery about 1 year ago but did not release the details for obvious reasons. There is a simple equation that explains the whole mystery quite nicely. Of course I won't release the equation or the explanation of it's meaning unless I get some interest I think if I release the equation it will show how the WTS cooked the books. That is why the partakers were almost flatlined for 20 years. These partaker numbers are all totally faked. The recent dramatic increase in partakers is just a change in the way the WTS calculates the numbers to hide their past book cooking
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Vow of Obedience and Poverty Document (2002)
by cabasilas ini was playing around on internet archive's database of reexamine.org and came across this file:.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060222223514/www.reexamine.org/images/vowofpovertyforbethelites2002.pdf.
was it done for tax purposes?
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cultswatter
What a Goddamn JEHOBBIE FUC*ing CULT!!!!
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A better look at the triangle
by cultswatter inenjoy.
that link was no good try again .......just waiting for the file to upload.... damn glitch somewhere... sorry ... actually the file blacked out one of the pics... very strange ... that was a slow down load for it not to work.... sorry.... still waiting for the new link..... this works .
http://www.mediafire.com/?bs0clm4ib3s.
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interesting
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What next?
by jefferywhat inso in the last year two major qfr came out, one on the fds not being any more special than the gc in terms of enlightenment and the second being that 1935 is no longer a "thing".
this was followed up with a change of the generation being the fds.
then numbers go up this year and apparently, alot of the new converts in the fertile lands of mexico are claiming to be of the anointed.
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Two QFR's and a horse with a crooked leg, signifying that Jesus was not crowned in 1914 and the white horse that he rides is lame. Also the great crowd seems to be a curse these days and the GB makes this known in their (hint hint) methodology.
The remnant gets a face lift or maybe the Jws had it wrong all along. I mean, the Remnant were supposed to be an old bunch of geezers but not any more. They are definitely getting younger. Maybe this is because the remnant has found the fountain of youth.
For a pic of these young remnant see page 24 of Feb 15 2008 WT
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The Watchtower art department strikes again!!! LOL
by cultswatter inplease have a look at the white horse on page 91 of rev climax book(the horse that jesus is riding).
this horse is what a horse should look like.
(don't look at it too long or you may be tempted) now look at the same white horse on page 23 of the feb 15th 2008 wt.
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Billy
That is priceless info. For my critics here is what Billy has said
Yes, left front leg appears to bend the wrong way forward. Horses head doesn't look right at all.
So an ex bethelite can see this is a bad horse pic. Billy does not indicate that this is a jest but I think it is.
I have updated my table because I did the find the other leg for a total of 4 legs on the white horse. (I previuolsy thought the horse had only 3 legs). Even so, the left front leg of the white horse is truly bent the wrong way
Rev Climax page 91
crown = yes
arrow position = incorrect (jest)
horse = 4 normal legsWT 08 02/15 page 23
crown = no (jest)
arrow position = correct
horse = 3 normal legs and one leg bent backwards (jest)
-------------------I suppose Billy has a code of ethics about his former friends at bethel but he does give us this hint
During my last several years in Bethel, I got to know most of the Art Department since I was VERY close to them... that's all I'll say. Their lives revolved around production and it could be very frustrating for them
.I assume this frustration might effect their artwork??
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I'm not a NEWBIE anymore ! ! !
by Billy the Ex-Bethelite intake that wtbts !!!
another former bethel poster boy becomes a junior member of the truly true light side!!.
[cue applause].
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Billy Welcome my friend!!
You might be of some help. Did you see the horse with the crooked leg on page 23 of feb 15 WT??? Could you at least say that it might be possible for the bethel art dept to draw that crooked leg deliberately?? .Is this a common thing in bethel for the art dept to be so sloppy with the artwork or could this be a jest or a ploy to attract attention. I think the bethel art dept is up to something of just what I don't really know.. Here is the thread that has the pic
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/148552/1.ashx
Thanks
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Out Witnessing = My wife hands out our home phone number to strangers!!!
by Witness 007 indesperate to make a convert i'm amazed how witnesses behave.
like my wife we were on vacation, witnessing, we met a guy who was visiting his mother but came from our city.
after talking for a while my wife tells him which suburb we live in and leaves our home phone number telling him to call me when we get back and i can take him to the meetings.
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Here Clifford Robert Olson, here is my number. Won't you come to the meetings.
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The Watchtower art department strikes again!!! LOL
by cultswatter inplease have a look at the white horse on page 91 of rev climax book(the horse that jesus is riding).
this horse is what a horse should look like.
(don't look at it too long or you may be tempted) now look at the same white horse on page 23 of the feb 15th 2008 wt.
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Now they are "correcting" their own illustrations from that Revelation Climax book in addition to the text!!
What text are you referring to . this sounds like something more is being revealed??