I agree - they were nicer than I had been led to believe, and more genuine in that they didn't seem to hide who they were behind a pretense of righteousness. And more fun, definitely.
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What was your first impression upon meeting 'worldly' people during exit?
by mavie inso, you are starting to leave the cult.
you begin to meet new people and instead of viewing them all as 'bad association', you begin to view them as fellow humans.
what was your first impression of 'worldly people'?.
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What was your very 1st search engine you ever used on the internet
by JH inif i remember well, i used altavista back in the mid 90's.
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alta vista
then askjeeves for a while but mostly now google.
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Question for JWS and EXJWS
by Fisherman in1 do you now reject all of the wts teachings and doctrines?
2 what doctrines do you still believe in?
3 what doctrines have you stopped believing in?
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Hortensia
have rejected not only the WTBTS but all other religions as well. Don't believe any of that crap. What am I sure of? the importance of living today as there are no guarantees of tomorrow, or any future other than wishful thinking. Maybe there's an afterlife, we'll find out when we get there, or it won't matter anyway. So I don't believe much of anything, find science interesting but not going to worship it either. Have decided it is important for me to try to live a decent life, carrying my own loads, trying not to hurt others, helping others when I can, and minding my own business about how other people run their lives.
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worst week in my life
by Hortensia inlast monday my husband, a nice guy, after ranting for a bit about terrorists, came over to me, to kiss me i thought.
he hit my head and then started to choke me, shouting "be healed.
" i managed to get away from him and he kept yelling "be healed" and saying that i was bewitched and had put a curse on him.
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Hortensia
well, yeah. I am going to make an appointment with a friend's counselor, someone who has helped her quite a bit. I think the woman is a psychiatrist. I have really big swings in my feelings and thoughts, and I still remember how much counseling helped me many years ago. My husband was a nice guy, he never hurt me before in 14 years of marriage. I don't know why he flipped out, may never know, but I can't be safe with him now, so...
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worst week in my life
by Hortensia inlast monday my husband, a nice guy, after ranting for a bit about terrorists, came over to me, to kiss me i thought.
he hit my head and then started to choke me, shouting "be healed.
" i managed to get away from him and he kept yelling "be healed" and saying that i was bewitched and had put a curse on him.
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thanks everyone for your kind words! I had trouble with my internet access last night so couldn't stay online. Seems to be working today. Everyone's advice is good - I changed the locks, have a good security system, and plan to move before he has a chance to get out - his future is either the mental hospital or jail anyway. Feeling stronger today. Tomorrow will try to get the police to clarify where he is so I can find out what is going on. However, have also filed for divorce because as much as I care for him, I think I would never again feel safe alone with him. It does remind me of my childhood, psychotic alcoholic father who tried to kill us on several occasions. Too drunk to succeed. I always said if it happened to me as an adult, I wouldn't stay around to give my husband a second crack at me. My mother stayed and we were abused for years - because the elders said he was her "head." My feelings are in a state of upheaval, but I am clear about one thing - my poor old husband isn't going to get a second crack at me.
One of you mentioned diabetes and my husband has diabetes, under control but advanced. I have been wondering how much that affected his mind - diabetes causes damage to all organs, not just the pancreas. Anyway, it was very nice to log on today and read everyone's messages. I am telling myself "one foot in front of the other", when I feel really depressed. But I also remembered Archie and Mehitabel, whenever something bad happened to Mehitabel (a cat, in case you aren't old enough to know what I am talking about) she would sing, "wotthehell, wotthehell, toujours gai I always say, there's life in the old girl yet."
someone else asked about what led up to my husband going crazy - he had been acting stressed and agitated for a while, which I attributed to his problem with kidney stones, a lot of pain, and that is what he would say when I asked him how he felt. But now that it is all over, people are telling me about crazy behavior going back some weeks.
I appreciate your advice and care. Thanks very much! I'm lucky too in that I have friends who are hanging out with me and helping me solve problems. Also, Jim's friend who went with me to check on him is a retired cop, so he made a point of creating a good relationship with the local police, and he is going to find out where my husband is and he will go to court for him and help him as much as he can. My husband has good friends too, and they aren't on the front line, so feel safer helping him.
I can tell just from writing this that I am more in control today - felt so desperate last night and so sad.
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worst week in my life
by Hortensia inlast monday my husband, a nice guy, after ranting for a bit about terrorists, came over to me, to kiss me i thought.
he hit my head and then started to choke me, shouting "be healed.
" i managed to get away from him and he kept yelling "be healed" and saying that i was bewitched and had put a curse on him.
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well, yeah, I got the locks rekeyed, as his keys are gone - the cops took his guns, cell phone, all the computers they could find (thank goodness I had taken my laptop with me), plus all sorts of other stuff including a piece of blood soaked carpet as evidence of who knows what - that they shot him? I don't have his car keys, or house key, or anything like that, keep looking for things and not finding them because the police took them. I can't be mad at the police, I was so frightened when I thought my dear husband was going to kill me, the officer must have been just as frightened to have a 6'3" madman trying to kill him; it's amazing the officer only shot him in the thigh instead of killing him. The police and my former cop friend keep talking about "suicide by cop" and saying he was lucky. I sometimes feel he might be better off dead as his future is grim - mental hospital or prison. And he isn't young - 62 next week. His life is ruined - I am so sorry for him but people keep telling me I have to think about myself. I can't.
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worst week in my life
by Hortensia inlast monday my husband, a nice guy, after ranting for a bit about terrorists, came over to me, to kiss me i thought.
he hit my head and then started to choke me, shouting "be healed.
" i managed to get away from him and he kept yelling "be healed" and saying that i was bewitched and had put a curse on him.
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Hortensia
last Monday my husband, a nice guy, after ranting for a bit about terrorists, came over to me, to kiss me I thought. He hit my head and then started to choke me, shouting "be healed." I managed to get away from him and he kept yelling "be healed" and saying that I was bewitched and had put a curse on him. Then in a normal tone he handed me the phone and suggested I call a friend. I called the police, who thought we were having an argument. I was so terrified I just grabbed some things and left, went to stay at a hotel. I went back with a police officer the next day to get my meds and some clothes. He acted pretty weird, but the officer didn't see any reason for a 5150. On Wednesday I convinced a friend of my husband to go back with me and a police officer to check on my husband. They made me stay in the car outside while they went in the house. I heard a gunshot and didn't know if my husband or the officer was killed. Turns out my husband attacked the police officer with a knife. They shot him, tazered him twice, and finally about five officers wrestled him to the ground. I couldn't see any of it, except the original police officer backing out to the street with his gun drawn.
I was taken to the police station with our friend, who fortunately is a former NYPD cop, and he was able to help me quite a bit. I think the police were friendlier to me because I was there with a former cop for a friend. Also, he was the only actual witness to what happened, and since every time the police shoot someone they really go through a lot scrutiny, they are glad that the only witness is a former cop. We were there at the police station for 8 hours, sitting in a conference room, while they tore my house apart, searching it. They found more guns than I knew my husband had - some serious weapons. I feel I had a lucky escape, he could have easily killed me being so much taller and stronger than I am.
so, anyway, I don't know where he is, or what is happening to him. I understand that what happens depends on the doctors - if they think he is crazy, then he goes to the state mental hospital, if they think he was on drugs, then it is a criminal case and he will go to trial and to jail. either way, I think I will never see him again, and anyway if I did see him again I would be so afraid I wouldn't be able to turn my back to him. I am in so much pain I don't know what to do. My friends are very kind, but at night I am all alone. I don't want people to say nice platitudes to me - it is an awful situation, the worst in my life, and I feel like dying.
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Your Opinion Wanted-What should really be done to child molesters?
by avidbiblereader ini have not tried to hide my past as a victim of this, but this is always an area that i have to fight my personally feelings as to what should be done to child molesters.
they ruin lives, scar an individual for a lifetime!.
should they be incarcerated for life, castrated, turned over to the family member(s), public humiliation like a branding everywhere they go, tortured and or death penality?.
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Frannie, your story is heart-breaking and it illustrates why the whole thing is such a complicated problem. There may be some truth to the idea that some people are pedophiles just as others are hetero- or homsexual, but whenever I hear about sexual abuse of children I always wonder who abused the abuser. Even Michael Jackson, who is totally creepy, was molested, taught the behavior, I believe by his own father who has one of the most evil faces I've seen.
I think one of the reasons that the topic is obsessing the public mind is just that more people are speaking up. Children are pretty defenseless and easy to victimize, and I imagine it has always happened pretty much to this same degree, but people are telling the truth about it now. I can't even watch the shows on television that trap pedophiles who prey on victims via the internet. It is just too sick, but still I think it is a good service they are doing.
no easy answer, I guess, but it is still a vile crime. My father is dead, and died by his own hand essentially, drank himself to death, and I was glad when he died. What a pity, eh?
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What's your culinary specialty?
by pmouse inreading hortensia's topic "menu" made my mouth water.
i remember in the 70's (when we used to be able to have lots of jw social get-togethers like picnics and parties) some of the friends would bring pot-luck specialties that were to die for!.
everyone has a dish they consider their "specialty" which gets high praise and generally requests for the recipe.
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wow - what a lot of posts. I was offline a bit, stuff going on, but I caught up this morning on this thread. So many wonderful recipes! Frannie, do you remember a recipe for carrot cake that was in an Awake magazine many many years ago? It was actually quite good. Mary - your fettucine recipe sounds wonderful, as I am on a low fat diet, I think I will try it. Sparkplug - when I started reading your post, I thought you meant the other kind of cocktail - like a bloody Mary. I make a good bloody Mary with the Trader Joe version of V8 juice, plus lots of fresh lemon juice, worcestershire, a little grated onion, celery sticks (must have the celery), and vodka. I think that's all - I'll have to look up the recipe. Oh yes - black pepper.
Restrangled - I never thought of using mushrooms instead of meat with the taco seasoning, I will definitely do that asap. And I love Margherita pizza, in fact any pizza, and fortunately it is possible to find low fat pizza.
Chicken with dumplings is one of my specialties too. I make it with chicken parts simmered in chicken broth until tender. Then I take out the chicken parts, let cool a bit, and strip the meat off the bones and put the meat back in the broth with whatever vegetables I have in the frig, esp. celery, onion and carrot. Then I use biscuit mix to make the dumplings and cook with the lid on for ten minutes and then off for ten minutes. Used to used Fisher biscuit mix but can't find it any more, so I use the old standby.
I love all foods Mexican, of course, since I was brought up on the border. I have my very own tortilla press and I can buy fresh masa in town and there is nothing better than fresh corn tortillas for dinner. Takes about ten to fifteen minutes to make a dozen tortillas.
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Chagas in blood supply
by Hortensia inhas anyone heard about this?
a friend told me about it this morning and i googled it and found articles like this:.
deadly parasite threat to blood supply.
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yeah, I imagine they'll use it to prove their position. It's a public health issue that they will turn to their own uses. Then they miss the point, which is that blood is an imperfect but sometimes necessary life-saving tool. Not much about medicine is perfect, but where would we be without it?