Thank you everyone for all of your kind words. They are much, much more than we have ever received from all of the so-called 'brothers' and 'sisters' and indeed more rational than the words that they have spoken to our family. The pain is almost unbearable, and I wish that I had some firm hope in a better existence in some form for her elsewhere but I don't at this time. Maybe that would make it better, maybe not. I visit her everyday at the hospital and have sat in hospital waiting rooms more than I ever thought that I would but that is what you do for someone like my mother. She would have done the same, and more, for me. Thanks again.
elinor
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I am so angry and frustrated right now
by elinor ini cannot be very specific with this because i do not know who is patrolling these boards to try to catch faders (like me).
my mother has been very ill for a long time due to multiple health issues, all of them stemming back to a very low blood cell count.
before i even began to have doubts, as well as my father asking me about the 1975 debacle, i kept wondering why god (i can't call him jehovah now that i know the truth) would allow such a wonderful and selfless person to suffer if all they needed was something that was produced naturally in our bodies.
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I am so angry and frustrated right now
by elinor ini cannot be very specific with this because i do not know who is patrolling these boards to try to catch faders (like me).
my mother has been very ill for a long time due to multiple health issues, all of them stemming back to a very low blood cell count.
before i even began to have doubts, as well as my father asking me about the 1975 debacle, i kept wondering why god (i can't call him jehovah now that i know the truth) would allow such a wonderful and selfless person to suffer if all they needed was something that was produced naturally in our bodies.
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elinor
I cannot be very specific with this because I do not know who is patrolling these boards to try to catch faders (like me).
My mother has been very ill for a long time due to multiple health issues, all of them stemming back to a very low blood cell count. Before I even began to have doubts, as well as my father asking me about the 1975 debacle, I kept wondering why God (I can't call him Jehovah now that I know the truth) would allow such a wonderful and selfless person to suffer if all they needed was something that was produced naturally in our bodies.
Now she is dying, I mean she is probably not coming out of the hospital this time, and I am so angry that I could scream. Why is this allowed to happen? I keep praying for something to happen, maybe a mixup in the hospital and they "accidentally" give her blood or something.
The only good thing to come out of this situation is a family member telling me that if the WTS ever changes their stance again on the blood issue then they will go to NY or even Patterson and tell any passersby that this organization killed our mother. Yeah great, but what about right now? My other family members are no help whatsoever. They are all still fully brainwashed and tell her that "we will see you again in the paradise" and "we have so many wonderful years ahead of us on the other side of this system of things". Who gives a sh*t?! I want years with her now!!! Not later.
I know that there is nothing I can do and I feel so helpless and angry about the whole situation.
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Name Things Witnesses Make Big Deals Over
by minimus inhave you ever seen a witness get absolutely giddy over placing a measly tract with a neighbor and get up on the platform and tell the "experience" of how the neighbor actually said that he'd read it!
big deal!!!.
in our hall, they loved to applaud over the dumbest things!
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Pantyhose. In the god awful hottest days of summer they would always have a special needs talk concerning appropriate dress for sisters and 9 times out of 10 they harped on the need for pantyhose on the sister's legs.
When this cosmetic company released this new product called spray on hose or something like that, it was considered all the rage amongst the sisters. P-a-t-h-e-t-i-c.
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Will the WTS. disolve and fade a way in time... ( Your perspective )
by thetrueone inhi, just wanted to know your thoughts on what you think the future holds for the wts.
what for an example what do you think they will be writing on the cover of the w & a magazines 50 or 100 hundred years form now ?.
will the age of information and techology finally catch up to them (eg.
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I hope that one day they are gone and receive only the barest mention by any media source, although you really don't hear that much about them. I know that since I have faded (still fading actually) that I rarely hear any news about them and only from my family who are still very much zealots of the religion.
I think that, psychologically, it is a good thing that they fade instead of an abrupt ending. Could you just imagine the chaos among its members that would ensue? They would think that A) Armageddon was here and who knows what the truly indoctrinated would do then or B) it is just some big test from Jehovah (though they say that God doesn't test anyone in modern times). It would be too much of a shock to the system and I would not want the cold water of truth that was thrown on me to be thrown at my family.
No, a slow fade, and eventual extinction, is probably for the best.
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A Vivid J-W Dream
by truthsearcher inlast night i had a very moving dream.
i had placed an ad in the newspaper, inviting any ex-jws who would like some support and friendship to come to my house.
when i entered the living room it had grown larger and was packed with people.
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I admit I have had nightmares because of the WT. Most particularly during childhood, there was this one dream during which I am in my parents' home and being chased by demons. I knew they were demons and I kept screaming out Jehovah's name. When I was a teenager I would be in that time between waking up and asleep (I have no idea what stage of sleep they call it) and I remember being unable to move or turn my head, only I really didn't want to turn my head because I knew that there was a demon behind me. I'm only now beginning to see how the WT uses 'demonic activity' to instill fear in young people and exploit it later on to keep them prisoner in the organization.
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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 12-24-06 WT Study (Keep in God's Love)
by blondie instart of article.
q1, 2) how can you remain in god's love?.
1) jehovah loves the world of mankind so much that he gave his only-begotten son in order that those exercising faith in him might have everlasting life.
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Thank you. I've read several of your reviews of the WT study article and I am impressed.
One of the things that really aggravates me is talked about in paragraph 17 where they say that by partaking of spiritual food at Jehovah's table (only WT written and approved 'new light' material) then you will not be misled by false teachers or wicked spirit forces. There they go again, frightening people with the threat of demons, demons everywhere, if you don't shape up and follow the rules.
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You Must Know it's The Truth...
by Confession indo you occasionally get those stopping moments?
y'know, when the enormity of what we've gone through strikes you?
or when some aspect of the wts experience occurs to you?
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As I was reading your 'fictional' story I was laughing but it does really make the whole thing look absurd doesn't it?
I mean putting it into perspective, shunning is no more or less than a form of manipulation and control. No wonder it's one of the best devices the organization has going for itself.
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Yes, once when they made a shepherding call on my exhusband and me regarding some rumors of abuse within the marriage. The PO kept saying "It's obvious you love and respect your husband" over and over. (I don't mean to make light of your question I'm just being sarcastic today)
On a more serious note, an older sister of mine was accused of fornication repeatedly by an elder and his wife. There was never any proof of any wrongdoing and yet they publicly reproved my sister anyway. This was over 20 years ago in a rural congregation. The same congregation also disfellowshipped my oldest sister who had never been baptized. That is a serious WTF?! situation. It was later corrected by an elder brought into 'clean up' our wayward congregation.
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"I wanted to throw the book across the room"
by GetBusyLiving ini just read the topic "i thought i was alone" by newbie elinor.
i found it interesting how he mentioned that he wanted to throw the daniel book "across the room" after reading some of the many misapplied prophecies concocted by the overlord's in brooklyn.
when i was a jw i also fantasized at times of throwing the book across the room, but for me it was the revelation book over ten years ago.
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The Daniel book wasn't the only one I wanted to throw at the wall. Usually when they brought up the necessity and bible 'command' for submission of wives to their husbands I wanted to pitch the bible into the trash. I always looked at some of the brothers who were known for being little dictators in their homes. Without fail one or two would be wearing a smirk or stare at their wives as if to say "see, see, I make the rules, they told me I do". Idiots.
I also hated studying the Revelation book. Especially when the organization made changes without changing the text and everyone around you would be listening intently to the comments and were quick to point out your mistakes. That is true brotherly love (I'm being sarcastic if you didn't notice).
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A Jehovah's witness - Pioneer
by Fly init was a waste wasting 15 years of my life on this false religion.
i've cried when i find out that this religion is bull shit and are false prophets.
i'm a pioneer still and supposed to meet up in service with this brotha tomorr but i'm not going.
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I got my NIV version at Walmart of all places for about $8.