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  Judgement or what

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  can anyone give some insight - i've been doing a bible study at my home with two friends and we were looking at the resurrection and judgement.

  i was told that people who have already died will not be raised for judgement as they have already been judged and thats the end of it... but we then read the gospels and found jesus saying that at the judgement it would be more bearable for the people of sodom than those from the towns which rejected jesus's ministry.

  one of my friends is an elder at my local kingdom hall and he's confused as well.

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  encourager

  Can anyone give some insight - I've been doing a bible study at my home with two friends and we were looking at the resurrection and judgement. I was told that people who have already died will not be raised for judgement as they have already been judged and thats the end of it... but we then read the gospels and found Jesus saying that at the judgement it would be more bearable for the people of Sodom than those from the towns which rejected Jesus's ministry. One of my friends is an elder at my local Kingdom Hall and he's confused as well. Can anyone give me some insight so that I can bring this up at our next study. Thanks
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  Trinty

  by encourager in

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  hey i've been reading the magazine "should you believe in the trinity" - very well laid out and i know its been around for years.. i'm struggling with this whole issue and have looked at some of the quotes and they don't seem to match the actual quotes of the early church fathers.

  mainly the one by tertullian which reads as follows from the magazine.

  tertullian, who died about 230 c.e., taught the supremacy of god.

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  Thanks sadie for those links
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  Trinty

  by encourager in

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  hey i've been reading the magazine "should you believe in the trinity" - very well laid out and i know its been around for years.. i'm struggling with this whole issue and have looked at some of the quotes and they don't seem to match the actual quotes of the early church fathers.

  mainly the one by tertullian which reads as follows from the magazine.

  tertullian, who died about 230 c.e., taught the supremacy of god.

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  in you last reply "The more ancient & obscure the quote, the longer it'll take to look up and the less chance the average, "more mature" christian would even bother". Isn't this just the problem --- some Christians don't even bother checking - that seems the same when it comes to doctrines like original sin - for years I've heard people stating that Jesus was born of a virgin to avoid the link of original sin - but if the scriptures were studied and checked they would find a biblical reason not a human idea.
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  Trinty

  by encourager in

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  hey i've been reading the magazine "should you believe in the trinity" - very well laid out and i know its been around for years.. i'm struggling with this whole issue and have looked at some of the quotes and they don't seem to match the actual quotes of the early church fathers.

  mainly the one by tertullian which reads as follows from the magazine.

  tertullian, who died about 230 c.e., taught the supremacy of god.

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  Hi Libra-spirit - I'm sorry I can't understand what your getting at - I'm not trying to do anything with the trinity all I'm questioning is the accuracy of the pamphlet "Should you believe in the trinity". I basically want to know if this is an error in the quotation of Tertullian or that I'm reading the pamphlet Incorrectly.
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  Trinty

  by encourager in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey i've been reading the magazine "should you believe in the trinity" - very well laid out and i know its been around for years.. i'm struggling with this whole issue and have looked at some of the quotes and they don't seem to match the actual quotes of the early church fathers.

  mainly the one by tertullian which reads as follows from the magazine.

  tertullian, who died about 230 c.e., taught the supremacy of god.

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  encourager

  Hey I've been reading the magazine "Should You Believe In the Trinity" - very well laid out and I know its been around for years.
  I'm struggling with this whole issue and have looked at some of the quotes and they don't seem to match the actual quotes of the Early Church Fathers. Mainly the one by Tertullian which reads as follows from the magazine
  Tertullian, who died about 230 C.E., taught the supremacy of God. He observed: "The Father is different from the Son (another), as he is greater; as he who begets is different from him who is begotten; he who sends, different from him who is sent." He also said: "There was a time when the Son was not. . . . Before all things, God was alone."

  When you read the actual reference this is what it says:...."In the beginning God made for Himself a Son." As there is no ground for this, I am led to other arguments derived from God’s own dispensation, in which He existed before the creation of the world, up to the generation of the Son. For before all things God was alone — being in Himself and for Himself universe, and space, and all things. Moreover, He was alone, because there was nothing external to Him but Himself. Yet even not then was He alone; for He had with Him that which He possessed in Himself, that is to say, His own Reason. For God is rational, and Reason was first in Him; and so all things were from Himself. This Reason is His own Thought (or Consciousness) which the Greeks call logos, by which term we also designate Word or Discourse.

  Its seems the magazine has left out bits that would imply a different statement of belief.

  Can anyone shed light on this for me