Posts by helncon

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Anyone live in NSW?

by winnie in

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eurobodalla region anyone?.

helncon

Hi Winnie,

I live in NSW but sadly a long way from where you are.

I'm up near Armidale/ Tamworth area.

Helen

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and it is all vicarious, but boo hoo.. i had a phone call first thing this morning from a good friend i used to work with, to tell me that one of our old colleagues had collapsed and died at work yesterday.

it wasn't someone i was close to, he was a quiet bloke, but nice, with a great dry humour.

and he was only in his forties.. so i ring another lady we used to work with to let her know the sad news, and she tells me her husband has pancreatic cancer and secondary liver cancer.

helncon

(((((((((fe203girl)))))))

Hope your day gets better

Helen

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My little brother

by PaulJ in

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woo!

anyway, a crazy thing happened yesterday.

my little brother came online and we chatted.

helncon

Hi Paul

Now he is back in contact I dont know quite how to behave. I dont want to offend him or I prob wont hear from him again.

I had the same problem last year my brother stopped talking to me a few years ago and out of the blue he rang me up and asked for some help with our mums new house.

At the moment we really only speak if he rings up and make the effort so basically i have left it up to him and his wife to make any contact.

So my advice well its really up to you if you want more contact but just don't talk about the JW but one day he may come around and realise that his is missing his big brother.

Helen

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Do you still or ever did confess your sins to God?

by JH in

ok, where do i start?

.

forgive me god for posting on this forum.... there, i already feel better .

helncon

I never confessed any sin when i was an JW or when i was out and i'd say i will never confess.Even though i may have committed JW sins when i was one. Never really worried about it nor felt guilty.

I look at it this way everything i have done i don't regard as a sin but just way of finding out how things are and how they work.

Helen

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Really Bad Day Today!

by winnie in

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i woke up to my kids all sick, a letter in the mailbox (put there sneakily sometime early this morning) saying that we should 'return to serve jehovah and become one of the family again' (cannot understand the association of meeting attendance = being part of a family.

family is family no matter what they choose to believe.

) and to top it all off, our 10 year old dog who has been really sick past week, had to be put down a couple of hours ago.

helncon

(((((((((((winnie))))))))))))))))))))

I hope your day gets better

Helen

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Do you recall your "point of no return"?

by JH in

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was there something special that happened, an event or maybe a deception, that triggered your point of no return as a jw.. .

.

helncon

I really can't remember my point of no return i think it had to do with various of events that had happened.

I had lead a double life for most of my high school years and got worse when i was able to drive.

Thinking back i could never understand why they would treat DF people the way they did and that i knew from personal experience that the JW were never there when you needed them it was family.

The way they had treated my dad and uncles over the years also annoyed me.

I had enough of all the gossip within the cong about me and another brother who happened to be a close friend to one of my brothers and we all would go out sometimes all innocent but in their eyes we was being chaperoned. And what made it worse he lived accross the road from us.

In the end i just moved to another area and faded.

I was reading another post by gordy and i realised that when i got DF was that time they were seeking out inactive ones lucky me i was doing wrong so hence the DF after 6 years go figure.

Helen

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A Big Warm Hearted Thanks!

by bigwilly in

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to those here that mad me feel welcome upon my recent return, i feel a bit like the prodigal son (poor analogy).. after making this my first board over a year ago, i have meandered the exdub cyber community and made many good friends as well as meeting some truly amazing people.

i feel i've established myself amongst the discussion boards and earned a reputation of sorts (hopefully positive).

i have always checked in here, tho sporatically, and recent board politics and accessability have led me back here.

helncon

Hey BW,

Well it was a supprise to chat with you the other night after a long time not chatting with you and i was upset that i had to go, but hey plenty more chats to come.I hope

It has been a great pleasure in meeting you and that we see you more on JWD.

Keep on rockin'

Helen

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Honeymoon Disfellowshippings

by dozy in

one of the anomalies of the disfellowshipping process is the common situation when someone who is unscripturally divorced remarries.

in these occasions , the instruction is to always disfellowship the individual , regardless of repentance or attitude - what is referred to as a honeymoon df in elders jargon.

hence you have the (to me) bizarre situation of privately reproving a child molester , rapist or murderer one week and disfellowshipping a newly remarried middle aged sister who has been divorced for 20 years the next week.

helncon

This is the kind of information that i have been searching for!

But as i suspect that my dad only recieved a private reproof on being slightly naughty (no sex) would this in turn give him a scriptural divorce?

So would this mean that he still could get DF?

This is all very interesting information.

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Is there a DF cut off point

by fringe dweller in

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does anyone know if there is a set time period after which a baptised witness, who has ceased attending meetings or having any association with the congregation, can begin living openly as a non-witness (living with a partner while not married) without incurring the punishment of disfellowhipping?

if so, can you direct me to printed 'proof' of the wts edict in this regard.

i completely withdrew from the society about 6 years ago and have left the town i lived in whilst i was active, but i have family members who are still witnesses and i don't want to risk being formally 'banned' from associating with them on the rare occasions that we see each other.

helncon

Hi Fringe Dweller,

I thought there was no time limit but i was wrong i too had left the WTS ceasing meetings and moving towns thinking this was the best way then i moved back 6 years later and within the 12 months of being back i had elders on my doorstep asking what was going on in my life to my suprise i got DF (i was living with a partner not married) i was so shocked that they could even do this, my dad even went to the CO to get it all sorted out as i hadn't been a active JW for such a long time and they still managed to do it.

I thik if they want to do it they just will and no matter how much you show them what they have written and argue with them they will say that you are apostate and DF you for that.

But good luck in trying to stop this from happening.

I wished that i had found JWD a that time it may have helped.

Also go to www.jwfacts.com and look in the DF section that might be some help.

Helen

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Update... Re my dad scriptual divorce

by helncon in

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well i thought i better give an update of some events that have happened over the last few weeks with to a post that i put her about how to get a scriptual divoce on no grounds.. was i in for a wide awakening i had a father daughter chat with my dad and it seems that back in july/august last year he was slightly a naughty boy and was 'privately reproved' and that he only just told me on a visit just a few weeks ago.

well was i shocked that this had happen and that if he had told me earlier i think i would have been able to get my head around alot of things a bit easier.. so now i know how he got a scriptual divorce.. anyway this solved one of the mysteries that i had, but then it opened a huge problem that my so called witness brother put an allegation to the elders that he was dating someone before he was legally divorced and that they wanted the ins and outs of why he was privately reproved and that it should have been made public if not df (even though they very rarely attend meetings and that they are in complete different congs).

so then my dad had to face the elders in his cong and now what suppose to have been a smooth transition has now been a big delemia to the point of his fiancee is ready to walk away and that they even have had to postpone the wedding till when, no one knows.. even i can't believe that all this is happening.

helncon

Hi all,

Well i thought i better give an update of some events that have happened over the last few weeks with to a post that i put her about how to get a scriptual divoce on no grounds.

Was i in for a wide awakening i had a father daughter chat with my dad and it seems that back in july/august last year he was slightly a naughty boy and was 'privately reproved' and that he only just told me on a visit just a few weeks ago. Well was i shocked that this had happen and that if he had told me earlier i think i would have been able to get my head around alot of things a bit easier.

So now i know how he got a scriptual divorce.

Anyway this solved one of the mysteries that i had, but then it opened a HUGE problem that my so called witness brother put an allegation to the elders that he was dating someone before he was legally divorced and that they wanted the ins and outs of why he was privately reproved and that it should have been made public if not DF (even though they very rarely attend meetings and that they are in complete different congs). So then my dad had to face the elders in his cong and now what suppose to have been a smooth transition has now been a big delemia to the point of his fiancee is ready to walk away and that they even have had to postpone the wedding till when, no one knows.

Even i can't believe that all this is happening.

So i decided to go back where i used to live for a week just to get my bearings on what had happened in 2 days and really i was so angry and bewildered on what the JW are all about vented my anger to my grandfather ( very opposed to the JW never been one) he totally understood and had to shake his head at it all as well.

Now that i am back i am still angry to my brother that he could do this and still angry to my mum after i had told her not to say anything especially to my brother and now i have lost all trust in them.

But now i am feeling more settled and getting on with life and that they all have to deal with it and now i am the silent bystander not saying anything.

Helen