Posts by Englishman

There is an interesting follow up to Bella's story. When she came off probation at age 16, a number of single dub males took a shine to her, but Bella wasn't having any, as she said to me, how could she take a man seriously when he had a row of 6 ballpoint pens in his top pocket?

Bella eventually got involved with a married brother in the same congregation, and once again felt the wrath of a vengeful DF'ing committee. She was out for a minimum of 3 years, and eventually decided that JW life was not for her.

When she was 21 she emigrated to Australia and married an Ozzie fella. The last I heard was that her Mum was sure that she would return to the "truth", after all, she had a pic of Bella's wedding and wasn't Bella carrying a little white Bible alongside her bouquet?

How very sad that all Bella's mum was concerned with was whether or not she would return to the JW's.

Englishman.

..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

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Good Bye Everyeone

by proplog2 in

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i am against official censorship.

i feel it is each individuals responsibility to walk away from groups that you find offensive.

although i am an a-theist i am not a-moral.. in greek mythology you have prometheus and epimetheus.

Englishman

Too many wasters here eh?

So what do you want, someone to play the "Last post" for you?

Englishman, who's seen to many drama queens make their exit.

..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

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144,000 Are Replacing Fallen POSTERS!.

by Englishman in

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do you know who i miss reading on this site?.

well, i miss bruce, who always made the same post about the 144,000 replacing the fallen angels.

he was a real gent who's probably found out if his theory was correct by now.

Englishman

Do you know who I miss reading on this site?

Well, I miss Bruce, who always made the same post about the 144,000 replacing the fallen angels. He was a real gent who's probably found out if his theory was correct by now. If he hasn't then thats taken care of the life after death theory.

But there are some living posters that I would really love to see around. Gedanken was on of my favourites, he always had a wry wit and incredible insight. He kept his distance but his posts were gems.

Radar was also great fun, earthy and incredibly sarcastic, one always had the feeling that he was on the brink of the surreal. I wonder where he disappeared to.

Seeker 4 put in a brief appearance from H20 but then just sorta vanished , a great loss to all.

I'm sure there's loads more names that we'd like to see on the board, maybe they just need a prod to start producing the goods again. Who'd you like to see make a guest visit?

Englishman.

..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

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It Really Was A Numbers Game!

by Englishman in

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did you know that a decline in meeting attendances was once taken as a sign that wrongdoing had taken place in the congregation?

see what you make of this:.

in the early 60s, when i was but a callow youth and still living at home with my parents, a very anxious jw mum came a-banging on our door.

Englishman

Did you know that a decline in meeting attendances was once taken as a sign that wrongdoing had taken place in the congregation? See what you make of this:

In the early 60’s, when I was but a callow youth and still living at home with my parents, a very anxious JW mum came a-banging on our door. Desperate to speak to my PO dad, she wanted to report that her 14 year old daughter had been “Caught up in immorality” with a worldly youth, and that daughter Bella wanted to “Set herself straight with Jehovah” and confess all.

Bella duly confessed to a committee of elders, and, at the following service meeting, an announcement was made that Bella (now 15) was a fornicatrix, and as such, having expressed repentance, was now on probation. The probation was astonishing in its severity and even included that she must be in bed at 9.30 every night when there wasn’t a meeting. She was also banned from ever being alone with any male during the period of probation, as well as other stipulations about how many hours per week were to be spent studying the societies publications.

My Dad later took me to one side, and explained to me that Bella had at first lied about her dalliance and that was why he and the other elders had imposed such harsh restrictions upon her. Hmm. Then he told me how the matter had come to light.

Bella’s mother had found evidence of her daughters behaviour whilst changing the bedclothes. She’d duly accused Bella of being a “Bad girl”, and Bella had denied everything. Mum dragged her hysterical daughter to see her doctor who confirmed that she was no longer “virgin intacta” and that it would be as swell to perform a pregnancy test ASAP. Mum then told said daughter that it was now off to the PO with her, but Bella screamed and screamed that she was innocent of any wrongdoing and convinced her mother to wait a while before denouncing her to the elders.

Mum was still far from convinced, but she decided to bide her time, and instead, talk to another sister about her problem. She decided to talk with the formidable Sister Alice. But, Sister Alice was “remnant”, and as such felt that she knew a way to see whether or not young Bella had been guilty of serious misconduct that wouldn’t immediately involve the elders. Sister Alice said that she would wait and see whether the “Holy Spirit” was being “blocked” to the congregation. If the congregation prospered then all was well, but if it didn’t, then this would be clear evidence of Bella’s guilt.

Moving on a few weeks, and Memorial time came around. This was a fairly recently formed congregation, and as such meeting attendances were in the 50’s, but there had been 117 at the first years memorial, so this year the congregation hired a large hotel room in the centre of town. The anticipated attendance was 150. The actual attendance was 112. Alice’s suspicions were confirmed, Bella’s misconduct was blocking Jehovah’s spirit from the congregation, hence the low attendance.

The following day, Sister Alice confronted Bella whilst accompanied by Mother. Bella lied through her teeth for as long as possible, but the determined duo eventually extracted a confession, which bring us back to the start of my story. Well, not quite.

In ’63, there was an assembly held at Twickenham rugby ground in London. Brother Knorr was giving the public talk and a vast crowd was expected, certainly in excess of the 51,000 who had turned up in the previous year when Fred Franz did the honours. You’ve guessed it, there was drop in attendance to 48,000, and, once more, Sister Alice declared that the spirit in the UK was being blocked by wrongdoing.

Oddly enough, she was on to something. The ’63 assembly had , for the first time, provided huge marquee tents in the assembly grounds for the brothers to sleep in. Shortly afterwards, the grapevine was abuzz with rumours of dozens of confessions to immorality taking place within these tents. This was later confirmed as a fact.

The spin-off to all this was that some witnesses took the meeting numbers to be a sign of approval from God, and were happy to continue in “loose conduct,” convinced that they need only desist when Jehovah showed his disapproval by reducing the meeting attendances. Until that happened, everything was just fine.

I could have gone into business with Rentacrowd!

Englishman.

..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

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Kwickey-Kwiz!

by Englishman in

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can you identify this, better still, on what would it have been written?.

dad@hvn urspshl.we want wot uwant&urth2b like hvn.giv usfood&4giv r sins lyk we 4giv uvaz.don't test us!save us!bcos we kno ur boss,ur tuf&ur cool 4 eva!ok?.

englishman.. ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

Englishman

Prisca,

You're right. Text messaging via a mobile phone has taken the UK by a storm with over two thirds of the population now using these phones.

Most school kids send phone to phone messages to each other every day, whilst others use an ISP to send multiple messages.

Because they can be silent, kids are having to hand in their phones before exams so that they cant text each other for answers. http://www.lycos.co.uk/service/sms/

Englishman.

..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

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How many things can you get DF'd for?

by D wiltshire in

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please list:.

how many things can you get df'd for ?.

what are so of the weird ones you have heard about?

Englishman

D Wiltshire,

I know for a fact that you can get DF'd for certain sexual acts, even if you are married to your partner.

For example, a couple adopting the "71" position during intercourse can be removed quicker than a bride's nightie.

Englishman.

PS. A "71" is just like performing "69" except that it's with 2 other people watching. HAR HAR!

..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

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Kwickey-Kwiz!

by Englishman in

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can you identify this, better still, on what would it have been written?.

dad@hvn urspshl.we want wot uwant&urth2b like hvn.giv usfood&4giv r sins lyk we 4giv uvaz.don't test us!save us!bcos we kno ur boss,ur tuf&ur cool 4 eva!ok?.

englishman.. ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

Englishman

Can you identify this, better still, on what would it have been written?

dad@hvn urspshl.we want wot uwant&urth2b like hvn.giv usfood&4giv r sins lyk we 4giv uvaz.don't test us!save us!bcos we kno ur boss,ur tuf&ur cool 4 eva!ok?

Englishman.

..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

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Assemblified, Apostophobic & Lubby-Dubby.

by Englishman in

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well, tonights the night that all good dubs from this part of the uk will soon start the trek home from the cardiff assembly.

with a bit of luck, i will shortly be having a few beers with the only non-relative jw that i will even acknowledge, my old mate, the dub in the pub.

he's an elder, so the rules about not speaking with df'd people don't apply to him.. ive noticed that most jws fall into 2 distinct categories of post assembly trauma following the bounteous feast of light.. on the one hand there is the exhausted, hungry, thank-god-thats-over-for-another-year dub who is just longing to dump the kids at school, get back to work and mix with some real people for christs sake.

Englishman

Well, tonight’s the night that all good dubs from this part of the UK will soon start the trek home from the Cardiff assembly. With a bit of luck, I will shortly be having a few beers with the only non-relative JW that I will even acknowledge, my old mate, the Dub in the pub. He's an elder, so the rules about not speaking with DF'd people don't apply to him.

I’ve noticed that most JW’s fall into 2 distinct categories of post assembly trauma following the bounteous feast of light.

On the one hand there is the exhausted, hungry, thank-God-that’s-over-for-another-year dub who is just longing to dump the kids at school, get back to work and mix with some real people for Christ’s sake.

On the other hand there is the loved-up dub, eyes shining, aren’t –the-brothers-wonderful types, some of whom will have vowed never again to participate on forums such as this.

Until the magic wears off!

Personally, I have always found attending events at football stadiums is a lot more fun when actually watching football being played. Maybe some of the loved-up brigade should try attending a few lively soccer matches to see if what they experience isn’t profoundly more fun that what they experience from Brooklyn!

Englishman.

..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

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The JW's like any other religion?

by mommy in

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i had long talk with my mom the other day, she called me and wanted to discuss the org and the things i didn't believe in.

i will spare you most of the convo, but a few things "clicked" as i spoke to her.

maybe i have been away for so long i can't clearly remember all of the teachings, but she did agree with a few things i brought up.

Englishman

Wendy,

Thats brilliant! Just ask a dub to prove it to themselves all over again just like renewing a vow.

Englishman.

..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.