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Have you noticed?

by ibme in

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i am on this forum three times during the day.

morning.

afternoon.

ibme

I am on this forum three times during the day.

Morning.

Afternoon.

Evening.

Have you noticed that the posters/posting have greatly increased in the past six months or is it just IBME being more aware.

Example:

Six months back what I read in the morning was there in the afternoon then again in the evening.

As it stands now, I just can not seem to keep up with all the postings. Not complaining. It makes me feel really good all under.

Thanks to all the posters who make up for me.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Thanks

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Let's welcome matwater to JWD!

by jibberish in

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welcome matwater!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i see you know people from where i grew up!

nice to hear from you.. jib.

ibme

WELCOME

And thanks for checking in. But remember it's hard to check out even if you don't post much, like me.

I've been around since 2000 and only have posted 20 post. I believe I have read at least 75 percent of the post.

The material here has got to be the best.

Look around.

Enjoy

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How open-minded are you since leaving Jehovah's Witnesses?

by nvrgnbk in

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ibme

Eclipse,

That was wonderful.

My I use it to share with others?

Thanks

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Millerite Adventism and Fred Franz

by Dogpatch in

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a gem from barbara anderson:.

http://www.freeminds.org/women/barbara_anderson.htm.

millerite adventism and fred franz.

ibme

fjt/randy,

Please don't get your exercise this morning 'jumping to conclusions' without getting the facts. That happens too often in judicial committee meetings in the WTS organization.

Has it arrived here on JWD?

I also knew the Fred Franz who used to visit some of my family members on his regular trips to Cleveland, Ohio, and yes, he could be kind, funny and musical. However, to put it in perspective. I was a 'nobody' teenager -- very small for my age. It would be one thing for an ordinary person to say something like that to me, but when I found out he was Vice President -- next to God himself -- applauded by the multitudes -- I was devastated. (Just for a monent) I never forgot being an attendant and being told by Mr Fred Franz to 'shut up'. Are you wanting the 'two witness rule' to corroborate my experience? Sorry, there was just the two of us.

Remember, here's how it goes. 'For sure brother elder, in this case Mr Fred Franz, wouldn't have said that', He's such a good brother appointed by holy spirit. You must be mistaken'

Where have I heard that tune before?

For those of you who have had nothing but positive experiences as grown ups and as peers with Mr. Franz. I'm happy for you. I've had some of those myself, but it's clear that we all have different vantage points from where we collect our experiences in life.

When I read Ray Franz's books COC and ISOCF it was clear that his own expeiences with his uncle were a mixed bag. Two sides to every coin, they say.

And yes, Greendawn, everyone on this site who has felt the better experiences of shunning to the extreme has the wonderful spirited anointed Mr. Fred Franz to thank in part. Remember, to get back at his nephew and others who he considered a threat, he toughhened up the shunning (even retroactively). Prior to that a person could even disassociate w/o severe consequences -- but then Peter Gregerson.

Ah yes!!

Wonderful Freddie!!

Memories are made of this.

Thanks

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Millerite Adventism and Fred Franz

by Dogpatch in

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a gem from barbara anderson:.

http://www.freeminds.org/women/barbara_anderson.htm.

millerite adventism and fred franz.

ibme

Nathan,

There is one thing I enjoy about JWD.

Posters must be careful as to what they post.

Get the facts straight, then post.

Just a side point on Fred Franz if I may.

I was an attendant in the dug out where the speakers at the assemblies came out back in the late 50's.

This person came out and sat down by me. I did not know who he was so I just started to talk. Well, he said, will you shut up ( in a deep bold voice) -- I am the next speaker and I have to save my voice.

When they stated who he was -- Fred Franz, vice-pres, etc. etc. I about like to drop over. How could a christian person with such responsiblities speak to me or anyone else in such a manner.

I never did like his style of delivery. Too bombastic.

Another side point.

Sometime I think we old timers contributed to their big headedness by our applause and compliments, etc.

Me thinks me talking to much.

Thanks

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Are elders more "pure" than the other JW's ?

by JH in

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i always considered elders like "cops" in the congregation, looking into other people's business and looking for faults.

they give the impression that they are pure and do no wrong and by the fact, they can judge others and counsel them.. i'd love to turn the tide around and find out about their faults and sins.. .

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ibme

Purps

Me thinks

YOU

Hit the nail on the head

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Why label it a cult?

by rebel8 in

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what purpose does it serve?

it just seems to polarize people and ostracize those who aren't ready or willing to label it a cult.

anyone can look up the dictionary definition of a cult (or experts' definitions).

ibme

Rebel8

May I add a different slant on the subject of -- cult?

I have been where most all of WBTS are and where most on JWD are. I know that it would not have worked with me to be faced with a confrontational approach. I have found that with most people I have talked with they are turned off by the direct confrontational approach eventhough the message is true.

It's all in what I/we what to accomplish.

The WBTS have taught us well and psychologists agree. We need common ground/questions and kindness to cause people to think long after our discussions.

I agree with Neverendingjourney's (good handle) expression high-control group/religion is a little more patatable termainology to use than cult. Again, it's all in what we want to accomplish. People (WBTS or Wal-mart cashiers) find that the expression high-control is easier to swallow and pehaps digest. I would rather help a person to get a few meager crumbs of bread to chew that have the satisfaction of throwing the whole hard loaf of bread at them.

There are no positive results from beating a dead horse.

Get a live horse if you want to get your work done.

Bottom line, what are we trying to accomplish.

Thanks

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Dog skinned alive

by purplesofa in

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reward boosted for suspect who skinned dog alive .

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=47607&provider=top.

e-mail this article.

ibme

Please do not post pictures of dog skinned alive.

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UK District Conventions

by Leezo in

hi all, new here (sort of).

i have been aware of this site for a long time and often visit as it is a hive of excellent info but don't post myself.. anyway, read with interest the conventions that have been running in the us.

i am planning a christian outreach to a jw convention here in the uk and was wondering if anyone can let me know whether the talk on the saturday has the parts in it warning against apostates etc.

ibme

welcome

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Hello

by SAMSONTHESTRONG in

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i have been reading posts here since long time.hope to have nice and productive conversations.

i have been a jw for a long time.

there some interesting issues that have developed here.as time permits i will participate in some of those issues.take care you all.one thing,english is not my first language,so patient with my grammar.thanks.

ibme

Welcome