Posts by nelim

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"The Apostle" Paul & "The governing body" He paid not attention to them

by LAWHFol in

many witnesses view the structure of the organization, and the authority of the governing body , as a model of the first century congregation..if the governing body is, indeed structured similarly to the 12 apostles.

paul provides a good example of how we need to view men such as these.. he admonishes christians to reject any teaching that is different from god's word gal 1:8 "but even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.".

he shows by his words that the first century leaders, meant little to him.. 2 cor 11:5 "indeed, i consider that i am not in the least inferior to these super-apostles.".

nelim

Why would those "super apostles" be the "first century leaders"? (I assume you mean the apostles in Jerusalem?)

In the first few centuries there were many jewish/christian sects that were competing about what was "true". (Just like now?? lol)

JW June broadcast

by nelim in

some items i noticed:.

"christian apostates have removed god's name from the bible" ... apostates?

what definition of apostates is he using here?.

nelim

Some items I noticed:

"Christian apostates have removed God's name from the Bible" ... Apostates? What definition of apostates is he using here?
Repeatedly stressing using the 'Jehovah' pronunciation is okay because it's more recognizable by the public. I suppose they will also reintroduce the Trinity then, as that is also more recognizable? :-P
Fighting for equal rights only results in arguing in your political party, and therefore with your wife!
Stereotype that people outside the organization have empty lives, extramarital affairs, divorces etc... but all is well when they join the organization it gives them meaning (as if these problems are non-existent within)
Again stereotype that leaving Jehovah results in drugs and imprisonment
Someone praying/begging in prison for help from God... and along comes an elder (coincidence! ehm...) anyway, he asks the elder: "Do you know what I was doing?" Elder says: "No...?" So how is this proof of anything....?
About using the "unity player" in Africa: "This wonderful provision from Jehovah's organization has helped so many of our dear brothers and sisters to really benefit, even in remote areas. They get to know more about their international brotherhood and the Governing Body." !!

Collecting coupons

by nelim in

in the latest jw broadcast, the supposed accuracy of the bible is stressed again using isiah 40:22 and job 26:7. isiah is as accurate as saying that god looking down on a pizza being a correct cosmological model.. about job ("...hang the earth upon nothing"), i was thinking of collecting coupons.

suppose you're collecting those to save money on some items.

then, when you get to the cashier, you get this response: "but sir/madam, these coupons are the figurative ones!

nelim

In the latest JW broadcast, the supposed accuracy of the Bible is stressed again using Isiah 40:22 and Job 26:7. Isiah is as accurate as saying that God looking down on a pizza being a correct cosmological model.

About Job ("...hang the earth upon nothing"), I was thinking of collecting coupons. Suppose you're collecting those to save money on some items. Then, when you get to the cashier, you get this response: "But Sir/Madam, these coupons are the figurative ones! They don't save you anything literally, you should have taken those [other ones], those are the literal coupons!" Now you go the customer service, then will you say the following? "Thank you! I'm so grateful you're providing me with scientifically accurate information about how to save money! Unmistakably, God's Holy Spirit is active upon this organization!"

Job 9:6: "He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble."

I guess that last verse was the figurative one after all! :-D

Aren't we glad we can rely on the Bible with such accurate scientific predictions!?

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Gods name

by Mr.logic in

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what is the correct spelling of gods proper name"yahweh or jehovah"?

if the jw's maintain that yahweh is more proper, why do they misspell it "jehovah"?

if the name of god is so important, then you should not only pronounce it correctly, but spell it correctly too.

nelim

As "Jehovah" is the more recognizable form of the Hebrew God's name in English, I'm sure they will reintroduce the Trinity soon as that is the more recognizable form of worship among Christians.

*tongue-in-cheek*

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So I overheard a discussion that my son and wife were having about creation yesterday

by My Name is of No Consequence in

so i am getting ready for bed yesterday night and i overhear my teenage son and wife talking about how the evidence of creation far outweighs the evidence of evolution.

i heard my son say that evolution has so many holes and how could something happen from nothing.

i wanted to open the door and ask them both how the creator happened from nothing just to see what they would say..

nelim

John, the WTS calls it "micro-evolution" to distinguish it from "macro-evolution". But of course they will not (and cannot!) explain where the boundary would be then between these two.

FYI: the origin of life is called abiogenesis. Like already said, indeed important to keep this separate from evolution.

Perhaps you can point your son to research the anatomy of whales. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIEoO5KdPvg

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Article: Why More Young Women Are Leaving Church [65% of JW members are women]

by AndersonsInfo in

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http://national.deseretnews.com/article/4645/why-more-young-women-are-leaving-church.html.

stock photo a kulicki .

faith compiled by massarah mikati sunday, may 31, 2015 why more young women are leaving church.

nelim

Seems logical that if there are more believing women, then the decline can also be steeper ;-)

I live in Europe, and my impression here is that there aren't so many more JW women than men? Yes, I do see more couples where the husband is not a JW, but the wife is... (and never the other way around), ... but 65%? Why would this be? Or am I wrong?

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Help with understanding

by Doltologist in

please take pity on me someone and help.. i was going to say that i suffer from aspergers syndrome but actually, i've come to rather enjoy it.. no, seriously, i really do have aspergers which is why my posts may seem a little odd to some of you.

ok, they may seem bloody odd to most of you.. my world exists in a binary frame.

things are or they are not.. i know that in the "real world" things might be or might not be as well as are and are not.

nelim

cappytan, I recommend this video, it's an introductory talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYRoYl7i6U

I also enjoyed the following debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgmHqjblsPw

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Help with understanding

by Doltologist in

please take pity on me someone and help.. i was going to say that i suffer from aspergers syndrome but actually, i've come to rather enjoy it.. no, seriously, i really do have aspergers which is why my posts may seem a little odd to some of you.

ok, they may seem bloody odd to most of you.. my world exists in a binary frame.

things are or they are not.. i know that in the "real world" things might be or might not be as well as are and are not.

nelim

Hello Doltologist. I assume you believe in evolution? I think the following article will be interesting for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_origin_of_religions

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NEW EXJW BOOK By a former Pioneer

by Watchtower-Free in

new exjw book by a former pioneer and she is a qualified psychotherapist and trainer specializing in issues of abuse and neglect.. http://www.amazon.com/gifts-men-responsibility-patricia-sadio/dp/1508919623/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=utf8&qid=1433092341&sr=1-5&keywords=gifts+in+men.

nelim

Hmm I would like to know more. Maybe I'm too quick to judge, but from the teaser text, it seems to me it's another sad story / life experience as there are so many on this forum and elsewhere? Not to question this book's contents, but what (additional) 'valuable insight' is in this book vs one of the experiences here and elsewhere?

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Intelligent design my ass

by Doltologist in

so man was made by god in his image was he?.

so the human body was intelligently designed was it?.

you are kidding me !!.

nelim

sparrowdown, tell that to women who regularly have a bladder infection!