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  Has anyone got anything positive from the WT organisation?

  by BloominMarvellous in

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  everyone seems to just hate the wt.. i am very upset with the way ive been treated but i dont hate them.. they have given me huge self confidence after helping me out of depression, although i have a fab counsellor, so they cant get all the credit.

  they have made me independent as well, (i think my ex-study conductor regrets that!

  ) i suddenly have a mind of my own and am not afraid to use it.. i owe them quite a lot they have really helped me through some bad times but they have created some bad times for me too.

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  I agree stilla, good public speaking skills, how to construct and give a presentation, oh, and I know where the books of the bible are.
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  For those that were raised in the Truth, why did YOUR PARENTS become JW's?

  by BonaFide in

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  it's weird putting two and two together after 40 years of have the two things separate.. my uncle was killed in a car accident in august of 1969. i was a child, but i remember my mother being very sad and crying and staying in her room.. it was in october of 1969 that the witnesses first visited my mom.

  my mom was in the front yard watching us kids when jw's came door-to-door.

  that sister and my mom are still friends to this day.. anyway, my mom started studying.

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  My mum was going through a vulnerable time. Her eldest children had all married and left home and I was the only left at aged 13. She had started working to fill the void of the empty-nest syndrome and was becoming very cynical about family occasions like christmas which, to her, seemed to have lost its meaning. At work she met a Witness who (of course) told her how bad christmas really was. This led to a bible study, a whole new circle of friends, a new emphasis to life and the rest, as they say..is history. Dad followed 2 years later, mostly to please mum.

  However they kinda forgot they had a 13 year old still at home and I became a "truth" orphan. I was too old to be babysat and I didn't want to go to the boring meetings so I was home alone for much of the time. Couple that with birthday, christmas and easter celebrations all going bye-bye and all the family stuff that meant so much to me was gone.

  I spent most of my time playing hookey from school, getting drunk in class, in trouble with the police and hanging out with my friends. Mum and dad didn't know this of course, they were at the meetings or conventions or assemblies or at a JW's house having meals.
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  Must see video on Youtube where a JW is clearly defeated on the trinity subject...

  by Tuesday in

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  2. bible

  personally i hate bible ping-pong.

  i don't think it ever gets anywhere, i don't think it solves anything and i don't think the participants ever make any head room.

  however i will say in this case, i have been proven wrong.

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  I just finished watching all 14 parts of bible Jim's series. All I can say is that if thats him "not firing on all cylinders" because he hasn't been well, I wonder what he's like when he's fit!
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  Guilt trip on R&F if you don't preach

  by bobld in

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  there is a certain feeling in the air,that you must preach and to knock on doors.they like to as an example,if you know that there's a tornado or some bad weather is coming and you don't say anything or warn the people,you bear resonsibility for the lives lost.the wbts looks at it the same way.thus the gulit trip for not going from door to door.. now this is about as stupid as a queer in a whorehouse.the gb of the wbts should be guilty of not warning the people,by modern technology methods.they should be using,t.v.,radio,internet,satellite etc.not this bull dung of going from door to door.how would they like it if a tornado hit their new printery in wallkill,n.y.

  and the government sent troops form door to door to warn their volunteer workers.how about their properties in brooklyn,n.y.

  so don't give me this guilt story of preaching from door to door as the most effective.just look at the history of how many people lost their lives in the past due to tornados because they did not have the modern technology of warning people as compared to today.get off you high horse and if you think your message is so important to warn people than use the proper methods.. bob.

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  Out of interest do you think Jesus and his appostles if here now would sit back on their computers and use the internet or TV to preach or would they prefer the personal less self-promoting touch?

  If Armageddon was nigh as the JW's claim, then the urgency of that message would override any initial "personal touch". Get the message across to as many people as possible in the shortest time possible, then when people start to respond, talk to them personally about the message.

  Of course the JW's wouldn't dream of doing this. If their real concern was getting the message out and saving lives they'd use any and all methods to shout it from the rooftops. But instead the GB have gotta keep the R&F so busy with fruitless tasks that yield very little results so that they don't have time to think.

  Typical antics of a cult.
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  Must see video on Youtube where a JW is clearly defeated on the trinity subject...

  by Tuesday in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  personally i hate bible ping-pong.

  i don't think it ever gets anywhere, i don't think it solves anything and i don't think the participants ever make any head room.

  however i will say in this case, i have been proven wrong.

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  Hi Reniaa

  1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

  was JEhovah making moses into a false God? Of cause not....

  Clearly this was referring to Moses position not his divinity - on that we're agreed.

  the bible also calls his sons angels gods because they are spirit form.

  But again I don't see in the bible how angels are called gods "because they are spirit form". Moses wasn't spirit but he was called a god because of his higher position. The angels are also in a higher position so they are "gods" in that sense. Nothing to do with their natural form. Its like calling your belly "a god", if you give your own desires higher prominence than anything else, it becomes god-like to you. But it doesn't make it a "true" god.

  so the choices aren't God verses false gods but God, lesser gods or God-like if you will and false Gods.

  But again that leaves us with a dilemma. In Isaiah 43 v 10-13 Jehovah clearly states that there is no god before or after him, so who is Jesus at John 1 v 1?

  Is he God? Or is he "a god" in the sense of being in a superior position?

  I see the choices as either being Jesus IS God in the way he perfectly reflects the Father or its referring to Jesus' superior position based on the rest of John 1 v 2-3 and its context. I have to totally disagree with the idea of lesser gods as an understanding.

  So back to my original question. Is Jesus God or is he a created god?

  Jehovah didn't create "lesser gods". Isa 43 v 10-13 says so. Therefore does that make Jesus a false "god" in the light of John 1v1?
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  Must see video on Youtube where a JW is clearly defeated on the trinity subject...

  by Tuesday in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  personally i hate bible ping-pong.

  i don't think it ever gets anywhere, i don't think it solves anything and i don't think the participants ever make any head room.

  however i will say in this case, i have been proven wrong.

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  Perhaps I missed it but has anyone explained this.

  If there is only one TRUE God and Jesus is "a god". Is Jesus a TRUE God or a false god?
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  Whats happened to the Watchtower quotes website?

  by boyzone in

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  i often check this site and its been fine, now its gone.

  i know the wt succeeded in shutting it down a few years back but it reinvented itself and reappeared.

  have they succeeded again?

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  Ahh, I might be getting confused with the canada site, Thanks for that Blondie and Olin, I've bookmarked.
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  Whats happened to the Watchtower quotes website?

  by boyzone in

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  i often check this site and its been fine, now its gone.

  i know the wt succeeded in shutting it down a few years back but it reinvented itself and reappeared.

  have they succeeded again?

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  I often check this site and its been fine, now its gone. I know the WT succeeded in shutting it down a few years back but it reinvented itself and reappeared. Have they succeeded again? Anyone know?

  The web address is www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk
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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

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  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  This is how I see it.

  When persons are in great danger from a source that they do not suspect or are being misled by those they consider their friends, is it an unkindness to warn them? They may prefer not to believe the warning. They may even resent it. But does that free one from the moral responsibility to give that warning? WT 74 15/1 pg 35.
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  I had a discussion with a JW sister today about miscarriage and the new WT

  by BonaFide in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so this morning was the public talk and wt study.

  after, we did our usual and went to eat.

  the group was mixed ages.

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  Was moses God's channel? was king david God's channel? were the appostles Gods channel? forgive me but I don't see perfection as a requirement of God's channel? I only see having the blessing of holy spirit guidance which will show up in if your teachings reflect God's word the bible.

  Nobody said they had to be perfect to be God's channel hun But when Moses, David and the apostles spoke for God, THEY NEVER GOT IT WRONG! Not once.

  The fact that many of the teachings of the Watchtower have caused many thousands of people unnecessary pain and heartache shows that none of these teachings have one ounce of blessing from the Holy Spirit!

  Do you think shunning, the breaking up of families, the money forfeited waiting for 1975, the loss of life due to lack of blood, no organ transplants, no vaccinations and many many more doctrines that have been changed or tweaked as "new light" is offered, really reflect guidance by Holy Spirit?

  Do you think God deliberatly lied to His channel? If he didn't lie and all this pain isn't God's fault, whose fault is it?

  I'll give you a clue shall I? 9 men, cheap suits, musty smell