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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 08-02-09 WT Study (THE CHRIST)

  by blondie in

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  review comments will be in red or headed by comments.

  why follow "the christ"?

  6:15; luke 2:11; john 1:1; matt.

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  boyzone

  OTWO

  Therefore, when we loyally submit to the direction of the faithful slave and its Governing Body, we are submitting to Christ, the slave's Master. (April 1 2007 WT)

  Since Christ is invisible and the faithful slave outside of the Ivory Tower are nothing special, just submit to the Governing Body.
  Does anyone feel like I do when they read this- How could I have been duped into such mindless following?

  Yep, I felt the same way when I first read that 2 years ago. It was one of those Watchtowers that gave me a sudden clarity and I suddenly saw them for what they were. Everything that was wrong about the Org came into focus with that WT especially when it went on to say,

  " For this reason, all in the congregation view it as their sacred duty to follow and uphold the direction coming from the faithful slave and its Governing Body". April 07 WT pg 24 para 13

  By saying it was our sacred duty to obey them, I knew that they were not only false prophets but false gods too. Ever since then every WT dealing wit a loyalty issue has the Society firmly planted in there. They disgust me.
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 08-02-09 WT Study (THE CHRIST)

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  review comments will be in red or headed by comments.

  why follow "the christ"?

  6:15; luke 2:11; john 1:1; matt.

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  boyzone

  Ah there it is! I was waiting for this part.

  Q 18. How may we listen to Jesus Christ?

  18. Listening to Jesus involves 'looking intently at him, considering his example closely.' (Heb. 12:2, 3) Hence, we do well to "pay more than the usual attention to the things" we read about him in the Bible and in the publications of "the faithful and discreet slave," as well as what we hear about him at Christian meetings. (Heb. 2:1; Matt. 24:45) As his sheep, let us be eager to listen to Jesus and follow him.--John 10:27.

  All the way through I just knew they weren't gonna leave themselves out of the picture for long. Listening to Jesus Christ means reading about him in the publications from the FDS, yep business as usual.

  Thanks for a great analysis Blondie.
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  "professes" to be annointed

  by stillin in

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  what's that all about??

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  boyzone

  Its a tongue-in-cheek way of saying "we don't really believe you're anointed but we'll humour you for now".
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  You Have No Witness "Friends"

  by metatron in

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  i apologize for this point, as if beating it to death, but folks, you don't have any witness friends!

  there is no such thing.. does that sound extreme?

  too radical?

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  boyzone

  Should friendship be unconditional? No I don't think so. We all have criteria for judging whether we want someone as a friend or not. JW's are no different, its just their criteria is set out for them. They're not allowed to make a personal judgment for themselves on who constitutes a friend, they've got to conform 100% to the Society's judgment on this.

  Their conditions of friendship isn't based on the type of person you are but on what you believe. Even if you NEVER talk about your beliefs, just the fact that your not a JW immediately puts you into a catagory that the Society designates as "bad association". Its this sweeping generalization and the resultant injustice of this that makes most of us bristle with indignation.

  And what is more, its frustrating not having a voice or a platform for defence against this. If we complain against this injustice, we're "persecuting" them and proving to them we're not nice people and the Society were right all along. If we try and say hello even though we're not supposed to, we're "disrespecting" them, which proves we're not nice people and the Society were right all along. If we give to charity, take care of sick relatives, work hard for our family etc, none of this counts as we're not "working wholesouled for Jehovah" which proves we're not nice people and the Society were right all along.

  Its ALWAYS about the Society and their criteria for who makes a friend. ALWAYS. That why, whilst I still feel the hurt of those that follow such criteria blindly, I know where the real blame lies. In Brooklyn.
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  Second half of Judicial recordings!!!!! Podcast 10

  by Hobo Ken in

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  2. friends

  this the second half of the judicial committee meeting with the elders in which the decision is taken to "disfellowship" me.

  the reasons are given at the end of the meeting.

  here is the link to the audio podcast 10. here is the link to the webpage which you can leave comments on if you wish death or obedience.

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  Oh Matt!

  I can't believe what I just heard! How on earth did you maintain your cool thru all that? I was getting hett up just listening to it! How they can sit there and say "we only want to help you" when they clearly had already found you guilty before you even got there. I hope you NEVER take them up on their offer to go back.

  The blatant injustice is appalling. It beggers belief how 2 elders can commend you for keeping your own council and at the same time accuse you of spreading apostate ideas. The whole thing stinks...

  Thank you so much for keeping a cool head under pressure and getting those recordings. They'll prove invaluable for showing JW interested ones just what'll likely happen to them if they ever disagree with the Society - even after leaving.
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  New World Translation, is it the best bible translation?

  by littlebuddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my jw elder friend said to me that the nwt is the best translation of the bible and that scholars have said as much.

  is this true and is it the best?

  are there scholars who disagree?.

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  Check out these websites for an analysis of the NWT distortions.

  http://www.douknow.net/jw_mislead.htm

  http://www.douknow.net/jw_alteredbible.htm
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  I Have A New Grandson But He's Very Sick :(

  by minimus in

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  he was born yesterday with many complications including breathing problems, possible lung underdevelpment, anemia and body temperature issues.

  the poor little guy was hooked up to a breathing tube and tons of monitors.

  because the hospitals couldn't handle some of the problems, they sent him and my daughter to the best hospital in boston last night.

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  If he's like his grandaddy Min, he'll do just fine... Love and prayers to all your family and for little Ben.
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  WATCHTOWER 15/10/09 RE. D/F'D FRIENDS

  by BluesBrother in

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  2. bible

  this is the 4th study article, to be studied christmas week as it happens.

  title - "maintaining friendships in a loveless world".

  para 2 "today, what a pleasure it is to be associated with a worldwide organization whose members follow the pattern set by first century christians.

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  That article is disgusting. I didn't leave my friends, they left me. I was still the same person the sisters had always known but I'd come to realise the Organization was wrong. I still said hello to the sisters when I saw them as I always did, but it was them that turned their back on me, not the other way round.

  I hadn't changed, my faith was still strong and my love for God undiminished. But their friendship is totally conditional on whether you love the Organization, nothing to do with your love for God or not.

  Life's been getting better lately but after reading that article i feel upset again. I really loved those people! They were my closest friends for 21 years. We shared holidays, family experiences, good times and bad together, all supporting each other. I really thought they knew me well and would understand that I am the same person!! I haven't changed.

  And now this piece of crap from the Watchtower.

  Nothing, NOTHING will make me go back to this Org, they are the epitome of evil, an iron fist in a velvet glove and I HATE the GB for what they've done to me - and everyone still taken in by their bull.
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  Aspergers Syndrome

  by refiners fire in

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  now whats this "aspergers" i keep hearing about?

  is it the latest "in thing"?

  the latest rage "psyche illness" replacing "bi polar"?.

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  boyzone

  Going by the comments on here and looking down the list of symptoms, I get the feeling Aspergers is very common. Could it be that everyone is just "normal" after all and this label has been made up to describe particular personality traits?

  Just a thought....
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  Watchtower was a false religious symbol?...

  by Tuesday in

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  2. friends

  i want to say i saw this on youtube before, but i wasn't positive and couldn't find it again.

  can anyone here refresh my memory as to what false religion the watchtower was a symbol for and what the symbol meant in that religion.. thank you everyone!.

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  boyzone

  Is it the picture of the goddess artemis you're thinking of? Matt Barrie has a picture of it on his website

  http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bXMuq_iFQxU/SdDRD7-p3xI/AAAAAAAAAB0/U0Meh0Y2nIs/S220-h/itunes.jpg