Posts by boyzone

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Watchtower Comments THE GENERATION CHANGE Featuring LEOLAIA

by V in

boyzone

HI Fresia

My point is that I look at the fruitage, and indeed JW do display what Jesus said was the identifying mark of a true Christian.

But only as far as the Society allow them to show that love. The vast majority of JW's are lovely people, friendly helpful, sociable etc, they try and live moral lives (but like everyone else, fail sometimes) Would you agree that when it comes to obeying a ruling from the Society, the lovely people seem to disappear replaced by people who HAVE to be seen to be obedient?

For example I had been a member of my congregation for 21 years when I left 1 year ago. I know personally all the witnesses in my area and counted them as very good friends. I regularly see them and give them a smile. I know in their heart of hearts they are very loving people, yet these same people are told to suppress their own natural friendliness and love and ignore me as if I'm dead. And they do.

Why? Because the Society has decreed that because I no longer want to be a witness, I am to be shunned. I am still a christian, I still am happily married, I take care of my aged parents and my young family, I work hard, I don't swear, smoke or drink (to excess) Yet I am to be treated with contempt.

So Yes up to a point I can agree, the witnesses do display the fruitage of love, but if a society rule conflicts with showing that love, the rule comes first every time. Would you agree that this is true?

I can't help but recall Jesus words at Matt 9 v 13 "I want mercy and not sacrifice"

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How many JW that are not raised in the truth have left the organization?

by THE_CHOSEN_ONE in

according to watch tower statistics about 30000 thousand people per year left the organization.

my question is: how many of them in are not raised in the truth?

sorry for my poor english.

boyzone

in at 20 out at 42

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JW's from "The World" have a easier time going "Back Out Into The World"?

by BBOARD in

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we all know how hard it is, usually, for those rasied in the truth to readjust "outside in the world" once they leave ... so not to undermine them (esp.

for those who came in later in life - regardless of how many times from the podium you were instructed not to "leave the love you had at first" many of you are here because you found out the "truth about the truth" whether it was the people or doctrine or combination ... and were willing to open your mind, realize the "truth about the truth" and leave.

not to undermine all those years and mind numbing propaganda you endured in the jw's, but i have always felt: .

boyzone

HI

I was a convert aged about 20 at the time. I left a year ago and have found myself quickly going back to the person I always envisaged myself being. For me, it was like my personality was let out of prison, I could finally become the person I always knew I was - know what I mean??

For example - I was always a happy-go lucky kind of girl, easy going, etc. life was fun but I was fairly responsible and starting to enjoy the adult world. I had a couple of young boys and was trying to be a good parent and looking forward to the years ahead as a family.

Then the knock at the door.

Gradually I was convinced that I had found the "truth" and the best way to ensure a good future for my kids so I took the whole package. It really changed me. I became hard and inflexible. "No you can't watch that cartoon - its bad" No you can't have that friend round, they're worldly" No you can't see that movie, go on school camp, go to that birthday party, etc etc etc. Its as if family life became a battle ground with me trying to rally very reluctant troops to stay in step with me. Over the years the "no's" became more and more serious. No you can't see that girl, no you mustn't smoke, have you been drinking?

But I HAD to fight! After all my kids eternal future was at stake!!! I can only describe myself as some sort of machine, churning out the correct Society phrase and scripture whenever the occassion demanded. God I was SO uptight!

Then one day I stood alone in my kitchen and quietly thought about the person I had become. She was horrible, mean, hard and inflexible and I hated her. This wasn't the person I imagined myself to be all those years ago. The truth had changed me, but not for the better. Somethihg HAD to change. I had been on anti-depressants for a while and had regular bouts of bulimia. This wasn't me.

So how am I faring since leaving? Is the old personality starting to rear its head again? Yes. As a matter of fact, virtually overnight I felt myself lighten up. I cannot describe the pure relief and joy I felt the day I disassociated. It was like I had been given a life sentence and then suddenly being paroled and released!. Again I stood quietly alone in my kitchen and just couldn't help laughing!! Isn't that crazy?? All alone and just laughing and laughing hysterically with tears rolling down my face. I couldn't help myself.

Despite a year of cruel shunning of "friends" and rows with my dad, I can honestly say that my immediate family and I are just SO much happier. My own personality has come back after being buried for so long and I am nowhere near as uptight and stressy as I once was. The bulimia and depression has lifted. I like this person.

Funny enough so does my hubby and kids, and that for me is all I had ever wanted in the first place.

Sorry its a long winded way of answering your question BBOARD but in my experience, yes your true personality will quickly assert itself after leaving if you were a convert as opposed to a born in.

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What was the amount of the 07 pedo settlement

by boyzone in

i can't find it.

how much did the wt have to pay in the end?.

thanks.

boyzone

Thank you all for your responses and the info. I'm having a discussion with my dad about this. He flatly denies the settlement even took place, never mind the amount involved. so I'm gathering the writen evidence to the contrary.

Many thanks for all your help

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What was the amount of the 07 pedo settlement

by boyzone in

i can't find it.

how much did the wt have to pay in the end?.

thanks.

boyzone

I can't find it. How much did the WT have to pay in the end?

thanks

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More "new light"? Has anyone got the July 15th WT yet?

by slimboyfat in

i hear there is more "new light" in this magazine.

nothing as big as the "generation" change or scrapping 1935 for the annointed.

it might be something to do with some of jesus' parables.

boyzone

Anyone got the pdf download link?

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What Circumstances Cause Some to Decide to Fade or Disassociate ?

by flipper in

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friends

this morning in seeing another poster going through this particular dilemma , i thought it would be good to open it up to open discussion to see what various situations occur in our lives that make us come to the decision to fade / or disassociate ?

everybody has different circumstances in their lives - so one size certainly doesn't fit all .

everybody has there pressure points in life they can deal with - some cannot.

boyzone

I became very disollusioned with the truth over a period of time after my son was chased down and DA'd 6 months after leaving the congregation for being gay. This broke my heart as it meant his grandparents and all the friends he grew up with were stopped from speaking to him, just when he needed them most.

I then started to investigate the truth to see if Jesus would really choose them in 1919 as they claim (why didn't I think to do this before???) Of course it was a terrible shock to realise that they were complete frauds, especially after 21 years of being a zealous witness, bringing up 4 boys in the "truth" etc.

So I went to a local fellowship group, just out of curiosity more than anything. One member of the group mentioned I was there to a friend of hers. The friend then told the pioneer sister who called on her. The pioneer sister then told the PO of my congregation. The PO then went to my parents to ask if it was true. My parents then asked me and reported back to the PO who finally gave me a call to ask me the "do you still want to be known..." question. I fobbed him off with the " I was just curious" reason, (which was actually true!)

I was furious. All these people lived in the same village as me, they all had my phone number yet the gossip went all round the houses before I was asked. I wasn't gonna put up with having to look over my shoulder to see if I was being watched every time I made a move. I wasn't prepard to have sisters or elders make a fuss if they saw me going into a church or a christian bookshop or having a birthday. They could get lost. So I wrote a letter so I could take control of the situation. I left on my terms, in my own time, on my say so. The only thing that concerned me is if my parents shunned me. After I spoke to them I was convinced that they would NEVER shun me regardless of what the Society said. So I handed my letter in and have never looked back.

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Announcement: They Clapped!

by metatron in

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friends

weird.

after the letter was read, many clapped.

i don't know how to interpret that.. .

boyzone

Don't discourage Mighty One from investigating. He should be applauded not criticised. It takes a lot of courage to go against the Society in this regard. Lets give the guy some encouragement.

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Watchtower Comments THE GENERATION CHANGE Featuring LEOLAIA

by V in

boyzone

Hi still-in-74 and thanks for your question. I'm sorry if I havent been clear. Let me try again.

Just supposing you were joining a group of friends for dinner. What are they likely to ask you? 1) What shall we look for to show us you're going to be present with us, or 2) when are you coming?

Your answer to 1 would likely be "don't be daft! you don't need to look for anything, I'll be standing right in front of you.

Your answer to 2 would likely be "about 8 o clock"

So because the disciples understood Jesus was going to return physically and visibly, they asked for a sign to show them WHEN this would happen. Not when it had already happened invisibly. They had no concept of a invisible return.

We know the disciples were thinking this way because of the question they asked Jesus when he appeared in person, visibly in front of them after his resurrection. Check out Acts 1 v 6

I hope you understand but if not, perhaps others could explain it more simply

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Shoot the bastard!!

by SpyAmI in

isn't it wonderful that jehovah is spending his time helping the governing body decide to do away with bookstudy, instead of helping elisabeth, and the thousands like her??.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/world/europe/04/27/austria.cellar/index.html?eref=rss_topstories .

(cnn) -- austrian police believe a 73-year-old man held his daughter captive in his cellar for the past two decades and fathered at least six children with her, according to police and state-run news reports sunday.. the woman, identified as 42-year-old elisabeth f., has been missing since 1984 when she was 18 years old, police said at a news conference.. the situation came to light earlier this month after her daughter -- a 19-year-old woman, identified as kristen f. -- was hospitalized after falling unconscious, according to police.

boyzone

bugger the bugger