Posts by RAF

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MY PROJECT IS (FINALLY) FINISHED!

by Mary in

for those of you who are interested, the project i've been working on for the last few months is finally finished.

i originally did a thread about it back in april: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/156497/1.ashx.

it seems that alot of us still have family members in the religion and have not infrequent arguments with them about some of the beliefs and practices.

FlyingHighNow for 50 years(Oct 15 )

by caliber in

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say a big happy birthday to one of the sweetest, nicest person's on jwd !

stand back folks there is a lot of heat around 50 candles....lol .

caliber.

RAF

I thought you were younger !!!
Happy birthday sweatheart !!!

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maybe it's just me, but lately it seems like there is a trend (well, moreso than usual in any case) of saying that paul is somehow of a different mind than jesus and that the teachings of the two contradict each other.

while i can see where having a jw background can easily bring this type of thinking around, most especially since they extol the teachings of paul and completely ignore christ, most of you are no longer under the power of the watchtower...er, you aren't are you?

and as such, you should be free of most, if not all, of the brainwashing to occurrs.

RAF

Actually I've found very interesting (even in knowing that he was well educated) how he could just become an adviser everywhere he went - probably easely by working with thoses different people and showing that he was spiritualy wise but I would say spiritually true (he couldn't be perfect - he just could be true to his faith - I mean coherent about it for them - Now I can appreciate that he precised most of the time what he was allowed to do but didn't in saying why).

I couldn't stand Paul in my JWlife ... (I didn't get to know him that much - only through specific verses overused in JWLAND) but I realised later on, that his commands were only advices and dedicated to those he was talking to at that period of time (every culture being different) and that's about 2000 years ago. Sticking to his advices like glue is just a proof that the main principle (and therefore the main reason) haven't been understood.

Paul had to find ways to get his idea accross to the public concerned for them to get IT (THE PRINCIPLE and bear IT for what it does, means for what it worth) and not reject it from scratch if not violently.

Concerning the treatment of women for instance (at their period of time) - you have to remember that in France to only talk about my country, we've got the right to wote only since 1944 - So Paul couldn't come up in talking about the kind of love (let's say in fact respect of all rights - even only the humain rights) due to women nowadays which spiritually are the same for both men and women regarding the only and main principle in question.

But from the begining if reading this book is about looking to be saved (ourselves or even the whole world) it can only lead to HELL if it is in trying to follow so much old school commands (very often twisted in the reason why they would need to be applied NOW if any would?) IFwhen applied they actually lead to the reverse than what the principle should lead to)
I mean it's about being for or against the main principle (that Jesus symbolised also = the base of everything else spiritualy - without it no vertue whatever you do even vertue itself would miss something) I mean you can't be the son of God (spiritually) whithout the core spirit of GOD (as human we are all the product of GOD) but everything theologically leads to spiritual matters way before anything material (it's like the difference in between the form and the substance - The forms can be multiple and hypocrite in the reason why ... it's all about substance = what's our motivations/reasons) that's why the same acte can't be qualified exactly the same way (as good or bad) and won't lead to the same result at the end (even only for us and on us).

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Has the WTBS ever explained the trinity?

by wobble in

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if i were going to comment on a deep philosophical doctrine, i would first outline what that doctrine was,has the wtbs ever dne this properly with the trinity?

from memory they have only ever reasoned at the level"one plus one plus one = 3, not one" type of argument,and odd references to trinities in pagandom.. surely a college education would be of benefit to them so they know how to present a thesis?.

love.

RAF

YHWH - behind the name lies a concept (clearcy described by the meaning of its own letters) which works by addition in a permanent circle

Y= Yod = Seed = Potential (it's symbolisme: The Father)
H = He = The land = fecondity (symbolism: TheHolly Spirit)
W = Wav = The Result of potential through fecondity = Action / Reaction (symbolism: The Son)
H = He (at the end of the word) = The Résult of actions by acumulation (symbolism = Creations / Consequences / Evolutions as RESULTS) = the new potential into the original potential to deal with into the to the same process in an infinite circle.
"I make to become" ... YHWH is a clear process (and it looks trinitarian) but these are nothing but people, we are talking about the FONDAMENTAL PROCESS OF LIFE = the creator (that's when we can see how it's easy to personified something but we can call that Evolution).

Wav (The Son) depends on the potential = Yod (The Father) and yes IT IS the Greatest - but moreover spiritually it depends on the power of CHARITY.But The Yod (The Father) in Action is Wav = The SON (the smallest is the greatest). That's when the different ways Jesus introduces himself can be multiple - but he is not a creation (because no action without him) he is a result means in the concept THE CAPACITY OF LIFE (To put into motion an act as well as a project)
The trinity is a concept in personification but it doesn't really help to understand whatever ... without further information about the meaning of the tetragram

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Has the WTBS ever explained the trinity?

by wobble in

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friends

if i were going to comment on a deep philosophical doctrine, i would first outline what that doctrine was,has the wtbs ever dne this properly with the trinity?

from memory they have only ever reasoned at the level"one plus one plus one = 3, not one" type of argument,and odd references to trinities in pagandom.. surely a college education would be of benefit to them so they know how to present a thesis?.

love.

RAF

It can not be explained by human logic.
I respectfully disagree with this sentiment.
Walter Martin once said that just because you or I cannot explain how a nuclear power plant works, that doesn't mean that it is beyond comprehension.
It stays beyond comprehension as long as one personification is understood as one and only personne (just like a human being - but but but we are not talking about a human being at all) - Yknow's example : core/flesh/skin = a fruit (or the fruit = I make to become) opens the door to the right interpretation ...

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Hi everyone, here's my story...

by LisaAnn in

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i loved it, it was very interesting... tell the rest...

RAF

... (interesting)

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Is the God of the wbts a loving God?

by bobld in

to the woman he said....i shall greatly increase the pain of your pregnancy.. to the man he said....cursed is the ground---in pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life and thorns and thistles it will grow for you.in the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground ( death).. now lets look at the above in todays world.would the state (government) after convicting a man of murder, torture him by hard work all his life only to kill him at the end of his life.would a loving parent torture his son all his life for one mistake.. why does god of the wbts blame man for ruining the earth when he made those evil thorns and thistles.today man had to get destroy those evil weeds by chemicals.see no thorns no chemicals.. the list goes on...look at all of god's wars and destruction.. maybe it is me but the more i read the bible the more i get *^%&^%#* .......................... bob.

RAF

Maybe it is me but the more I read the Bible the more I get *^%&^%#* .........................
LOL ... been there ...
but finaly got myself free ... LOVE IS ALL ... what's more powerfull than ALL?

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How to survive a nuclear attack ...

by IT Support in

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yet another fascinating ted video: .

irwin redlener: how to survive a nuclear attack.

i'd never before even considered the possibility of survivability .... .

RAF

didn't watch the vid ... I just think that you need to be lucky ...

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God, Jesus, GB, and the elders: Shepherds

by DaCheech in

shepherds not only guide the flock, but they slaughter them too!.

ever wonder why we have to be obedient flock and die for them?.

RAF

I meant swallowing the camel (hyprocrisy) ... it just didn't match whith my idea of justice and ritghtness ...
Obey yes I have not problem with that ... it just depends on what and why ... and what is my business is only my business period.

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God, Jesus, GB, and the elders: Shepherds

by DaCheech in

shepherds not only guide the flock, but they slaughter them too!.

ever wonder why we have to be obedient flock and die for them?.

RAF

sure I did ... just couldn't follow the crap