Maybe in this context it will be more easy to explain what I think ...
Nobody's going to win because everybody had his own experience since any science will exclude God as essence of everything with a spirit which makes choices (wich lead to free will for the all = the head - free will for each in all = the body)
It feels better for a lot of people today to feel that human have the control (what if evolution in the universe had made another kind of superior being - more superior than human, think about it? ... LOL ... An alien or something - not a new idea but the capacity of Evolution is also about that, and our science is limited to what we can check).
I realised that some of Ex Jehovah witness (of a messy doctrine) are so bitter against the idea of God now that they actually become Evolution witness (theory supported by theories from tiny biological proofs for the whole matter - I've check the CNRS last info about that - the respons after explaining lots of thing is - we have only the evolution which suite scientists supports and lot of interesting directions to go through, we are still wondering = in resume : nothing is sure on the whole matter) who feel the need to force their belief on everybody (we have to go through this - after the total mess of religions – which are actually politics – to give full power to politics what else? and we won't be able to put the right politic in place as long as we will stay divided and egoiste in mass). Also, since only a bit of science in this universe is approachable scientifically and what is paranormal will stay paranormal for its own very reason … believing in one or the other will stays a personal belief.
The idea of God have been so mislead by the contradiction of religions regarding spirituality (for political and personal reasons), that people are supposed to get enough with it (it's more than a probability to me) spirituality will take over because we will have an overall view of our history at some point (enough bullshit).
We will grow up (if we are still there) and understand once and for all, that we need to consider each other like brothers, understand that he/she can be different and have different needs and also that we all have rights since we do not hurt an other one (that's where an other kind of evolution takes place which is way more important to care about for the good of everybody).
Now when we will die (any day) ... we'll see or RIP (but we are a part of THIS evolution anyway with several retro actions for a global experience about the good and the bad in every situation).
Eddited to correct my messy english, for a better understanding.
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171The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?
by Terry inhistory has demonstrated:.
religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.
technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.
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Christians are hypocrites
by Handsome Dan inchristians are hypocrites.
christians, they love to talk about how loving, dutiful and compassionate they are, yet i have yet to meet one who does not practice hypocrisy to the highest degree.
their willful ignorance of the bible combined with their two faced idealism to preach it, has made us sick, hasnt it?
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AuldSoul : WELL SAID !!! (from the begining to the end)
Maybe it's time to make a difference in between christian by name and christian from the heart.
a believer don't need to be Self-Rigthous (it's even an Egotic psychic desorder) a believer just know that he is human with human faillures and therefore is supposed to be able to understand others human beings faillures too (wen he/she can). -
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Need Some Education On EVOLUTION? Start Here! Perry & Axal take note!
by Seeker4 inperry started a thread on evolution/atheism, which from his very first post showed an incredible ignorance of evolution and natural selection.
axal's comments on the thread were just asinine - how all the atheists in his area were at the strip clubs fighting over women and fornicating!
i have to say that i live in a small town and have been here for half a century, and i couldn't name five people that i know here who are atheist.
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I came back here for you, thinking that you may have worked on it and it wouldn't be fair for me to just say good bye as you was willing to do it for me. that was nice I thank you for you to want to make that effort for me (and any Frenchy)
I'm glad you didn't get into a translation job yet (if it was only for me), however if you are interested in this thread to put you input in it do it in English for everybody (in French if you think that people read it better in French)
My answer to your previous post and my good bye post on this thread was a bit short :
The reason why I've said good bye is that since they don't take into consideration what any debaters even scientific have against the theory itself (those who need to have this theory supported will not give you information against they will avoid them and just get more explicite about why they think it possible) soyou can go on and on without real proof and just read books with no debates but only explanation about what they think could be possible with no archeologic materiel (that we should have at this point) to prove it ... I guess they will always feel that they are right anyway (with no real evidence) ... since there is no archeologic real evidence this theory can only stay a theory (and that their might be an other explanation even by essence or without spirit - just because it looks like essence and spirit is not scientifically approachable).
So the debate is going like this :- you don't have evidence of God (Well I didn't say I have ... why? because I know it's improvable it's a question of belief in what is a spirit in every aspect (all in one, each in all)
- and on the other side we have evidence on material wich only want to proove a theory is right with no archeological material to prove it, (that we should have to prove it)
So of course it doesn't lead anywhere (you believe what you want to believe).
Again thank you Ascot
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Need Some Education On EVOLUTION? Start Here! Perry & Axal take note!
by Seeker4 inperry started a thread on evolution/atheism, which from his very first post showed an incredible ignorance of evolution and natural selection.
axal's comments on the thread were just asinine - how all the atheists in his area were at the strip clubs fighting over women and fornicating!
i have to say that i live in a small town and have been here for half a century, and i couldn't name five people that i know here who are atheist.
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I've decided that this topic too much time out of me
It's cool that you feel confortable with your belief - why not be happy that I feel confortable with my belief?
I don't think I can tell whatever about the subject that you will really understand from my perspective
because you are stuck on books and theory and scientist support (I not was not on the easy side, but I don't care - it's always good to challenge my bellief - but nothing really got me out of it yet)
This became a battle where there was no reason for it to become a battle.
It's like unbelievers need to attack believers at any rate (does that remind you something?)
You have your right, I'm fine with that, but please forget about forcing your belief on others as far as it doesn't hurt.
Feel free to call me wathever ... put "theorical" evidences on this thread
but it's time for me to just say GOOD BYE for good on this one
I guess I can't and I don't even want to say more than what I've did already here about that
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Need Some Education On EVOLUTION? Start Here! Perry & Axal take note!
by Seeker4 inperry started a thread on evolution/atheism, which from his very first post showed an incredible ignorance of evolution and natural selection.
axal's comments on the thread were just asinine - how all the atheists in his area were at the strip clubs fighting over women and fornicating!
i have to say that i live in a small town and have been here for half a century, and i couldn't name five people that i know here who are atheist.
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Startingover : And RAF, are you French Baby Face?
Yes ...
(big change about my belief really ...) It's not the reason why I've took a new nickname just in case you wonder (it's written in my profile)Before I haven't really read the bible for real myself ... What I've read conceptually in the bible (the details necesserary eventually comming along) is absolutly not what religions are talking about (to me) I don't think I have to force anything on anyone I can just talk about my faith as anyone can in his kind of faith (in whatever) ... but it was clear for me ... It means don't worry, things have to happen, live your life with justice (good balance) towards others ... everything else are detail (contextual or not - contemporary or not) etc ... also it's written that we don't have to agree on the details (so it just cool that way) - it just flows like a nice phylosophy.
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Need Some Education On EVOLUTION? Start Here! Perry & Axal take note!
by Seeker4 inperry started a thread on evolution/atheism, which from his very first post showed an incredible ignorance of evolution and natural selection.
axal's comments on the thread were just asinine - how all the atheists in his area were at the strip clubs fighting over women and fornicating!
i have to say that i live in a small town and have been here for half a century, and i couldn't name five people that i know here who are atheist.
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Thanks Ascott for your efforts :
I'm not into the creationist stuff ... (many things takes time ... that's part of life).
Evolution is ok to a certain extand to me about the Whole thing I'm into proofs like I've said in my previous post means :
(real onces = material as it should be possible to have at our stage regarding human being along the time)
I mean if the before category can't be bread with the next one (from what comes the whole process of evolution of the next one - evolution or bread with another spieces - back to the original probleme, but in way less time). -
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Can Animals Talk?
by metatron inhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci/tech/3430481.stm?ls.
a parrot has some surprizing things to say.
part of my suspicion that consciousness and intelligence is distributed.
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My son sent me this link lately ... the cat at the end of the vid is too funny ...
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How Do You Know What's Good? A Question for Believers?
by Perry ini know that there are not very many born again believers on this board.
but for the ones that are here, what say you?
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Nobody needs to be a believer
It's about using our reasoning for listening/hearing to every feelings and needs ... it is still contextual ... so it's more about Justice and justice is a balance (every details have it's weight) we can or you can not weight them from our perspective ... that's when wrong things / injustices takes place.
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Need Some Education On EVOLUTION? Start Here! Perry & Axal take note!
by Seeker4 inperry started a thread on evolution/atheism, which from his very first post showed an incredible ignorance of evolution and natural selection.
axal's comments on the thread were just asinine - how all the atheists in his area were at the strip clubs fighting over women and fornicating!
i have to say that i live in a small town and have been here for half a century, and i couldn't name five people that i know here who are atheist.
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S4,
Again I understand your point of view … Not only I’ve read about it, but I’ve even seen full movies as documentaries ans debats on the subject. So again why do you think I don’t know enough about that? Because you feel that for you it explains everything? Ok your right to believe them.
If there is something I can get very quick it’s a concept since I’m interested in the subject. When I read a book or see something when my emotion is not involved I just turn it into a concept every details can be forgotten, because they will come along where they will appear coherent in any process (maybe not the one I was enquiring – but any in any concept and development).
What I’m feeling about the Evolution theory (even from what is proved by now) is this:
Scientists who are working on the “what do we come from question” don’t know where to turn (and I understand that it is the only way for them – it’s their job after all), so they are still following the same path (there is truly no other without considering Essence of everything /God as already existing) and whatever they found out still can’t exclude “IT”,
More they will have means to research and more they will find ways to explain the process that we already know about evolution capacities (But not links to lead a species to another, and scientists really need that to make this entire theory credible – but we miss archaeologist material here … that’s the problem – if they have been able to find several types (but not compatible to bread – since they have means to state about that … So …it doesn’t help them) it just means that those types could have been animals/species who disappeared like Dinosaurs – that’s way back – and we have proof for that … So … where is the proof in what we are talking about to make the entire thing ok as a real proof? … )
So now the way scientists do talk about what they know to make it credible (because we need something to stand on it) is that the theory is highly reliable (ON WHAT? in regard of my previous paragraph … ).See you can explain a process but a process which have occurred for millions years leaves hints/materiel … and this is not the case here.
I’m a believer (I’m neither proud or ashamed of it), my faith is stronger than ever (I have no reason to be scared of God or it spirit / the only ones I can be scared of is myself and fellow human beings), my belief won’t hurt you or anyone (what can hurt others is who I am and I can be whatever when I don’t take care (it happens). That’s when you can call me names and that I will feel concerned about it - if I feel wrong.
But I understood why you got nervous on this (you explained it very well – I do understand a bit of English)… I do not think you are bad because of that … We all get weird for very personal reasons, that some people might or might not understand (because we did not all have the same life). It’s good to bully someone who is hurting someone else … and then there is still that question : what is hurting? (What will hurt you might not hurt me and vice and versa) that’s when it’s all about being able to a better understanding at some point regarding each other … and on this topic my christian belief as how I feel about it (my point of view) is that we just have the right believe what suites our spirit/state of mind needs (since it doesn't hurt badly other people).