Posts by DeusMauzzim

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young, study-minded and apostate.. anyone else?

by DeusMauzzim in

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i grew up in the wt, did my utmost to research all, saw the light of course - everyone else of my family still in.. i'm 18.. anyone else of around that age who found out by doing research?

i'd like to share some experiences.. regards,.

deus mauzzim.

DeusMauzzim

Thanks for the feedback. Some responses and questions below:

@wannaaxit: No, I haven't DA'd. I'm trying to fade away as fast as possible... Please help me understand why one would want to DA? To me it seems you're playing the rules by the org's game then.. you end up losing your family.. so they still have indirect power over your life.. or am I wrong here? How about you?

@mysterious: I learned Hebrew to better understand the OT in the source language.. how ironic that would make one an apostate eventually.. anyway I found out that there could have been no Babylonian Confusion.. from there on Gen 1-11 came falling down, then the whole literal chronology.. then the wt as well of course. It's really enlightening to read directly from the source :)

@SirNose586: Sounds familiar.. I also researched 607/587 and know the site you are referring to. I'm sorry for you that you can't just leave, apparently ('still stuck'). That also sounds familiar. Could you provide some more info? Or rather not?

@Anony-Mouse: Good to hear from you.. everytime I see the org's creationist propaganda I have the urge to get a shredder... Fortunately there are a lot of fine resources on evolution available on the web due to the controversy in the Bible Belt and elsewhere.. I had to read up about that a lot and now I would call it a hobby.. you just can't understand biology without evolution :). Were you baptized? What is your position now?

Regards,

Deus Mauzzim

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Life Philosphy.........

by fifi40 in

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so your free of the mind control and doing it the jw way.

what is your philosphy for life now?

have you reinvented your life or set yourself new ideas to live by?

DeusMauzzim

Interesting question...

Personally, I've thrown out God, Afterlife, Demons , anything supernatural. There's no need to be afraid of the dark.

Here we are, in a perfectly natural and immense universe. There's no 'big meaning' to life.. it's just that we have evolved as meaning-giving life-forms. Language is the prime example of the signifying that makes us human.

So give meaning then! Signify! Every minute! What I mean is: research all you can, read a book per day, immerse yourself in Art, develop an ethical code, help less fortunate human beings, study philosophy: inscribe your meaning in the stars.

And at the end.. your reaction should be like Nietzsche's Zarathustra: It has been a great ride.. let's do it again! (his philosophy of eternal recurrence.. every action has eternal meaning)

Note that this is something different than hedonism

Regards,

Deus Mauzzim

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young, study-minded and apostate.. anyone else?

by DeusMauzzim in

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i grew up in the wt, did my utmost to research all, saw the light of course - everyone else of my family still in.. i'm 18.. anyone else of around that age who found out by doing research?

i'd like to share some experiences.. regards,.

deus mauzzim.

DeusMauzzim

I grew up in the wt, did my utmost to research all, saw the light of course - everyone else of my family still in.

I'm 18.

anyone else of around that age who found out by doing research? I'd like to share some experiences.

Regards,

Deus Mauzzim

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POLL: Would You Ever Consider Going Back To The Organization?

by minimus in

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yes, no or maybe....and why?

DeusMauzzim

If God Himself gave absolute proof of His existence as a Righteous and Good God, and absolute proof of the True Religion being the Watchtower..

Then I'd go back... I left because I wanted to know the Real Truth, so then I would know I had made the wrong decision.

But of course the above is quite improbable :)

So in the meantime? Atheism, Science and Evolution!

Regards,

Deus Mauzzim

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Where would we be now if there was never a concept of God?

by dh in

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if (for the sake of argument for those who believe in god) there was no god, and no human being who ever lived had ever come up with or even had a concept of god or a higher being.

where do you think we as human beings would be today.

what do you think our history would be like, and our future?

DeusMauzzim

Interesting post, I often wondered about that as well.

Unfortunately the Believer has one serious advantage over the Unbeliever - His argument is simple. 1. Look how complex all of this is! 2. It must have been created by someone! 3. Worshop Him! Now try evolution or quantum mechanics in three sentences :)

As soon as an animal species becomes self-conscious (due to increased brain capacity, development of language etc.) - The concept of a God will be invented, I believe. And the trouble begins... 'God' is just a transcendental signifier in language: That-word-which-gives-meaning-to-All.

But IF we imagine it had never happened for some reason: no religion of course, no watchtower specifically :), but still wars I think - for territory, for sex, for power.. just like our fellow animals. I don't think it would have made any real difference.

No offense for any religious persons here.. these are just my views on the subject.

Respectfully,

Deus Mauzzim

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Tarot card in What Does The Bible Really Teach.

by DeusMauzzim in

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look at this illustration from p101 of the what does the bible really teach book - it's the chapter about evil spirits and stuff :).

the guy has - of all cards!

- the tower card in his right hand (see the other images for details of the card).

DeusMauzzim

Look at this illustration from p101 of the What Does The Bible Really Teach book - It's the chapter about evil spirits and stuff :)

The guy has - of all cards! - the Tower card in his right hand (see the other images for details of the card)

Quote from Wikipedia:

Many differing meanings are attributed to the card:

To some, It symbolises failure, ruin and catastrophe.
To others, the Tower represents the Paradigms constructed by the Ego, the sum total of all Schema which the mind constructs to understand the universe. The Tower is struck by lightning when Reality does not conform to expectation.
Epiphanies, transcendental states of consciousness, and Kundalini experiences may result.
The Tower further symbolizes that moment in Trance in which the mind actually changes the direction of the force of attention from alpha condition (pointed mindward) to theta condition (pointed imaginal stageward) Theta Condition (Especially in waking versions of Theta states) is that moment when information incoming to the ego mind overwhelms external or sensory stimulus, resulting in what might otherwise be called a "Vision", or "Halucination."
Each card in the Major Arcana is a result of the previous. After the self bondage of The Devil life is self correcting. Either the querant needs to make changes in their own life or they will be made for them.
The Querrant may be holding on to false ideas or pretenses; a new approach to thinking about the problem is needed. The Querrant is advised to think outside the box. The Querrant is warned that truth may not oblige schema. It may be time for the Querrant to re-examine belief structures, ideaologies, and paradigms they participate in. Card may also point towards seeking education or higher knowledge.

Interesting interpretations.. What do you think? Coincidence, or someone at the WatchTOWER venting his frustration? :P

Regards,

Deus Mauzzim

P.S I'm not into tarot, and certainly don't believe it's demon-inspired hehe

P.P.S The old french name for this card is 'Maison Dieu' - House of God' .. Now of what does that remind you? ;)

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Dilemma.. please help

by DeusMauzzim in

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first of all thanks for the reactions to my first post.

very kind of you.. i've been struggling with the following question the last few months.

'they' are absolutely sure they have chosen their own beliefs, have researched it themselves, are thinking for themselves, and that the organization is just the whole lot of people like them.

DeusMauzzim

First of all thanks for the reactions to my first post. Very kind of you.

I've been struggling with the following question the last few months. It's about 'them' and 'us':

1. 'They' are absolutely sure they have chosen their own beliefs, have researched it themselves, are thinking for themselves, and that the organization is just the whole lot of people like them. So they expect you to respect their beliefs, not to attack them. They think they are following their own conscience.

2. 'We' know that behind all this stands the Watchtower Propaganda Machine. The decision to 'stay in the Truth' is never objective, always based on misinformation. The whole point of the system is letting people believe they have made the choice themselves. The organization is the hierarchy, the system of ideologies, not the brothers and sisters. They are more like victims of the system. So we feel an urge to point this out to them, and as a consequence, they think you are attacking them, and feel hurt. They don't see you are attacking the system, because as far as they are concerned, they are the system.

The problem: Attacking the system only backfires on the ones you love who are still in, the victims. The system itself remains unharmed.

So what's the moral thing to do? Just leave as a kind of statement? Point it out once, then move on? Blow up Brooklyn? Honestly I'm so fed up with this.. my conscience tells me I must help the ones I love.. but it is pointless.. I'm only hurting them...

Regards,

Deus Mauzzim

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E-Watchman says subliminal images in the Watchtower are real

by truthseeker in

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interesting read for skeptics and believers alike.... my personal fave is the picture in the knowledge book on page 132 (i think) showing jehovah in the clouds.

if you fold the picture three ways, you see a skull in the clouds on top of a pyramid.

does watchtower literature .

DeusMauzzim

Totally with Jeff on this one... I know the wt doesn't like its members being sceptical, so please at leasttry to be it when you're out!

Subliminal images = nonsense

Demon-smurfs = nonsense

Armageddon = nonsense

Critical thinking = good :)

Regards,

Deus Mauzzim

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Do you know this feeling?

by DeusMauzzim in

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do you know the feeling of looking out of the window at the sky, thinking 'there will be no armageddon, everything is well, i followed my conscience...' ?.

do you know the feeling of just going for a walk, all alone.. and realizing that you are alive and out of it, that there is no god counting your hours and meetings?

that is was all just a bad dream, that you are free now to follow your own moral compass.. it makes you want to laugh and cry at the same time.... do you sometimes look at the faces of total strangers in the streets or on the train, wondering how you could have ever thought that most of them could be murdered any moment by some 'loving' god?

DeusMauzzim

I've lurked on this forum a few months, now it's time to add my voice.

Seeing some people here who where "in the truth" for decades helps to put things in perspective. I was raised in the Watchtower, baptized at a normal age (nooo it's your own choice, the 5 meetings per week are no systematic pressure and certainly not indoctrination!), then went to college.. and found out! I'm in the process of leaving now... Alice in Wonderland you say? Neo in the Matrix? Certainly yes!

Life is wonderful.. I only hope my fade will be succesful...

Regards,

Deus Mauzzim

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Do you know this feeling?

by DeusMauzzim in

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do you know the feeling of looking out of the window at the sky, thinking 'there will be no armageddon, everything is well, i followed my conscience...' ?.

do you know the feeling of just going for a walk, all alone.. and realizing that you are alive and out of it, that there is no god counting your hours and meetings?

that is was all just a bad dream, that you are free now to follow your own moral compass.. it makes you want to laugh and cry at the same time.... do you sometimes look at the faces of total strangers in the streets or on the train, wondering how you could have ever thought that most of them could be murdered any moment by some 'loving' god?

DeusMauzzim

Do you know the feeling of looking out of the window at the sky, thinking 'there will be no Armageddon, everything is well, I followed my conscience...' ?

Do you know the feeling of just going for a walk, all alone.. and realizing that you are alive and out of it, that there is no God counting your hours and meetings? That is was all just a bad dream, that you are free now to follow your own moral compass.. it makes you want to laugh and cry at the same time...

Do you sometimes look at the faces of total strangers in the streets or on the train, wondering how you could have ever thought that most of them could be murdered any moment by some 'loving' God? Sometimes I just look at them, I love them, I secretly want to tell them about it.. about how strange and wonderful life is when you get out, but then I laugh when I think how silly that would sound.

Does this sound silly?

Regards,

Deus Mauzim

P.S. I'm new, and newly out.