The one they quoted my wife in was entitled "Self Harm." She didn't say which issue, though.
IsaacJ
...and had it printed, perhaps?.
just wondering.
what's the process on doing this anyway?
The one they quoted my wife in was entitled "Self Harm." She didn't say which issue, though.
IsaacJ
like anything you buy today, there is always something written in fine print that means, your product won't be covered under such and such eventualities.. now lets apply this to the watchtower.. what do you think the watchtower should have put in fine print so that the new jw's who just joined can see what awaits them.... this is what i would have written in fine print, if i was the watchtower.. your new journey starts here.
from now on, you dump all your worldy friends and family that don't want to become jw's.
once baptized, you can't look back and question the watchtower.
WARNING: May cause drowsiness or nausea if used in excess. May also cause nightmares, loss of family and friends, and all-around dumbness if baptized. Some may even experience an unwarranted sense of superiority and depression, or the "green-apple-splatters" if spiritual food is chewed too quickly. Consult your doctor, or just try getting a life for pity's sake. Sheesh.
IsaacJ
it doesn't take long to know every jw belief.
maybe after a few months, you know all that there is to know.. then, every meeting for the rest of your life will be only repitition.
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New light is what drives the WT business model. Every new book means you have to get that book for the upcoming book study--period. You absolutely must have that new book even if you don't want it! And you are expected to donate for it, along with editions for your whole family. You'll also want one to some of your Bible studies and get their donation, too. Thus, the Society creates an artificial demand that they can profit from.
IsaacJ
i wrote a review of the most recent anything i could find on atheists/atheism in my essay, but that article goes all the way back to '95!
(i used my 2005 cd to find it) the next closest one is in the mankind's search for god book, which was published '90.
i was just wondering if there's anything more recent that anyone knows of, or maybe even post if it's not on the 2005 cd?
I've seen the web site. There's also one that focusses on debunking the Bible, as it were. But it sounds like no one has heard of any more recent articles. I'm a little surpised given the attention people like Dawkins and Harris are getting. Then again, I think the '95 article was intentionally more likely to run us off than draw us in. They seemed to be using atheism as an excuse to reach out to other Christians and suggest that other churches are actually atheistic by their actions, which deny God or something like that.
It was a huge stretch. And quite stupid.
IsaacJ
ok - dont shout at me -but i know that archaeologists will change a theory based on a new find.
so will historains.
so will scientists.
I've considered this question.
When I was researching the Creation Book, I felt the Society's complaint about changing scientific conclusions was just as hypocritical. That is, where the Creation Book tries to undermine our confidence in science by pointing out how many of their own ideas they've shot down over the years, I kept thinking of the "light gets brighter" doctrine and how similar they are. Why can't the light get brighter for science as well? Especially since scientists don't claim to be "magically" inspired by outside forces.
NOTE: I already know creationists and evolutionists disagree. That's fine. Please, let's not argue. I'm only citing my impressions of the Society's argument in favor of creationism. Please don't hit or yell.
Anyway, that got me thinking more about it. The thing is that the Society claims divine inspiration from Jesus, except it seems that Jesus...for some reason I can't understand...has to be all sneaky about it. Even they admit they don't get phone calls from Heaven and that he never pops in and calls them all in for a board meeting, right? So how, exactly, is he guiding them toward this "new light?" Why is he being so coy? And how can they prove--even to themselves--that they are being divinely inspired in any way? I could claim to be divinely inspired and start a cult if I wanted. "Obey me or the god of phlegm will slime you to death!" But that wouldn't make it true.
What everybody else said about holding them to a higher standard goes too. If everyone teaching false wisdom are false Christians, then that means that the WT was false Christianity the day before they revealed their new light. And the new light never stops. So when in their history, if ever, will they fulfill this requirement of being truly Christian? They are holding themselves, and so-called Christendom, to a double standard. They go way too easy on themselves for a group professing divine inspiration, yet treat everyone else with the same skepticism they should be treating themselves. After all, you'd think they would at least need to prove to themselves that they are divinely inspired, wouldn't you?
IsaacJ
...and had it printed, perhaps?.
just wondering.
what's the process on doing this anyway?
My wife wrote a letter to the Society a while back. She was DFed for 2-3 years and it was during that time. They actually quoted her in the WT, but they changed her name. It was only several months after she'd written it. I think the article had something to do with people who'd been DFed and how they should keep trying to get reinstated, but I won't swear to that. She felt abandoned because the Elders kept dragging their heels about getting her reinstated--they admitted she was ready to be reconsidered months ago, but had just never gotten around to it.
It must suck when others live and die--spiritually speaking--at your whim, huh?
Maybe I can ask her for the article tomorrow sometime and tell you which one it is.
IsaacJ
i wrote a review of the most recent anything i could find on atheists/atheism in my essay, but that article goes all the way back to '95!
(i used my 2005 cd to find it) the next closest one is in the mankind's search for god book, which was published '90.
i was just wondering if there's anything more recent that anyone knows of, or maybe even post if it's not on the 2005 cd?
Didn't work...crap.
i wrote a review of the most recent anything i could find on atheists/atheism in my essay, but that article goes all the way back to '95!
(i used my 2005 cd to find it) the next closest one is in the mankind's search for god book, which was published '90.
i was just wondering if there's anything more recent that anyone knows of, or maybe even post if it's not on the 2005 cd?
I wrote a review of the most recent anything I could find on atheists/atheism in my essay, but that article goes all the way back to '95! (I used my 2005 CD to find it) The next closest one is in the Mankind's Search for God book, which was published '90. I was just wondering if there's anything more recent that anyone knows of, or maybe even post if it's not on the 2005 CD? (Still haven't found a 2006 as of yet)
Note that the article from '95 was awful. Basically the same as in the Makind Search for God book, but more offensive to atheists and theists alike. (Ya gotta admit, that's pretty impressive) I prefer to use the most current thing possible for this sort of stuff, though.
IsaacJ
PS-I just wanted to see if this emoticon works.
hello my dearest friends.
so sorry that i have not been online much.
i have been quite busy lately!.
This is the kind of unbelievable behavior (from them) that makes me think many Witnesses have the delusion of certitude thing I wrote about a while back. They need to believe there's still "hope" for you so much that they are in denial. Soon, it'll be "How dare you do this to us!" when it isn't about them at all. Not for you. But for them, it's ALL ABOUT THEM. How selfish can people get? Remember that when the guilt starts rolling in. It'll make it easier to stand up to them. And don't let them pitty you...it's a passive/aggressive way of puting you beneath them.
If they really cared about you and wanted you back in their Truth, they'd leave you alone and maybe pop by once in a while to keep in touch and see what's what, all without asking you about the Society. They'd give you your space. Instead, they come up with this delusional crazy-person stuff that only makes you happier than ever you decided to leave. They're just indulging their own kind of crazy. What a waste.
IsaacJ
..and found myself agreeing with 95% of what he said.
well who would have thought.
i would recommend everyone should read this.
I got the God Delusion on CD--pretty cool hearing Dawkins and his wife's reading of it. I think I pretty much agreed with him across the board, except I'm undecided about the issue of all religion being a negative thing. I think he makes good arguments, especially in favor of people not indoctrinating children. But I have no idea how you would prevent that. I had to love the fact that he went after the Society's Creation Book as well.
I tend to get the feeling that Sam Harris is slightly more anti-religion than even Dawkins is. I haven't finished The End of Faith yet, though.
IsaacJ