this morning it occured to me how much death is in the bible.
just off the top of my head: cain & abel, the flood, the guy who was going to sacrifice his son (isaac?
), the slaughter at jericho, jesus (and that includes torture), and all the death in revelation.
As a side note: How disgusting is it that Lot would have given his daughters to the mob?
I agree. Someone once said to me about this that the mob where all gay and they wouldnt have touched them anyway. If that was the case what was the point in saying it? Doesnt make sense. Only makes sense if he meant it ergo disgusting!
i always heard comments that there were faces and other objects in the falls on p 93. now i think i have finally confirmed this.
i scanned page 93 using only 300 dpi scanner and did some colour correction and sharpened the image a bit using photoshop .the result is surely jesus and there is also a face of a young kid below jesus.
now i think that the falls image contains a plurality of peoples faces, some people are standing and others just see the face only.. you can clearly make out a gash in jesus forehead.
Seriously this nonsense pops up about every six months sane people realize it's bunk crazyies keep on believing' six months later it pops up again.
Instead of being insulting and calling people 'crazyies' lol why dont you clarify whats nonsense. What exactly is nonsense? There are subliminal or hard to explain pictures? The Governing Body approves or is using them for reasons based on masonry or occultism? I would agree that saying the Governing Body is deliberately putting or approving of subliminal pictures is going way too far and is at the extreme end but to say there are no 'weird' pictures whatsoever is nonsense as well.
It simply could be as 'Mum' touched on with the comments about the 'Jests put thru daily' that some in the Bethel art department are just being mischevious or think they are having a laugh or being ironic in the worst possible way by putting in these occult pictures. The last one I admit may sound a bit extreme but my point is isnt it possible that some in the Bethel art department are putting in pictures simply for a joke?
Im not saying I agree with any of the above because I dont know. But what I do know is I cant explain for example the picture on page 159 in the Revelation book with the face in the hand. I wouldnt call that subliminal as you dont need a magnifying glass or mirrors to see it. Its clearly a face in a hand and I cant explain it. Am I being reasonable?
did jesus come to save sinners or hypocrites?.
if satan admits he is the biggest sinner of all....is he to be saved or destroyed with the hypocrites of self-proclaimed holy people?.
or saved with the sinners?.
What me? Ive never left.
the dragons post about wether satan was a hypocrite got me thinking.. .
if according to gen 3:15 and the prophecy thats supposed to mean satan was going to kill jesus (brusing in the heel) and then jesus is going to destroy satan (bruising in the head) that would mean satan would know at an early stage what his life would entail right?.
if i was satan (i'm not by the way) i might have 'looked' at this and other prophecies and decided i'm not going to help fulfill them.
The Dragons post about wether Satan was a hypocrite got me thinking.
If according to Gen 3:15 and the prophecy thats supposed to mean Satan was going to kill Jesus (brusing in the heel) and then Jesus is going to destroy Satan (bruising in the head) that would mean Satan would know at an early stage what his life would entail right?
If I was Satan (I'm not by the way) I might have 'looked' at this and other prophecies and decided I'm not going to help fulfill them. I'm gonna sit and chill and do nothing. If Jesus would still have been put to death then Satan would have made Gen 3:15 false because he had nothing to do with it and in fact it would be slander against him right?(Although I doubt he would have been able to prove it!)
If I was Satan and after rebelling I discovered I was going to be destroyed for whatever reason (Was it purely for rebelling against God he was to be destroyed or the things he was yet to do?) I might have tried to beg for forgiveness and say I dont want this destiny. I might have decided to be mischevious and not gone along with everything or is Satans whole life or existence simply destiny. If it isnt destiny surely he would have altered it?!
Finally just going back to a previous point. I thought Jesus had to die (perfect life for a perfect life) so why would Satan deliberately want to kill Jesus as this would only be playing into Gods hands? It doesnt make sense. All I can say is if Gen 3:15 does have the interpretation above and is doing all that he's supposed to be doing according to the Bible then I cant see how Satan had/has any choice in anything or has free will.
If I was Satan.......oh man I'm glad I'm not!
ps before anybody else posts it "Satan is a fictional character" (not my own view)
did jesus come to save sinners or hypocrites?.
if satan admits he is the biggest sinner of all....is he to be saved or destroyed with the hypocrites of self-proclaimed holy people?.
or saved with the sinners?.
Thanks for your post because it got me thinking about Satan, prophecy and destiny etc. In answer to your question I cant see how Satan can be called a hypocrite for the reason you stated but I didnt think he has any hope of being saved. I thought right from the days of Adam and Eve and the 'bruising in the head' he was destined to be destroyed.
press release 5/10/07.
http://www.freeminds.org/history/16lawsuits.htm.
sixteen child sex abuse lawsuits against jehovahs witnesses are settled.
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Thanks for the link ive 'bumped' the thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccote1skw8a.
this is a video sent to me by brenda lee, the author of "out of the cocoon",.
of her partaking of the emblems at the jw memorial last month.
Thats the first time ive ever seen anybody partake at a memorial and i went to 30+ of them! My opinion for what its worth is I definitely wouldnt have done that but I guess she must have had her reasons. If she does still believe in God its a bit harder for me to understand because of the symbolism of it but each to their own. However as some have already said its not much help in helping ones get out but i guess thats not what it was done for. I certainly wont be showing it to the other half who's still in.
not sure if this is the correct place to post this but i thought it would be better in here out of the choices.
the title was to hopefully make you at least be interested in this post whereas the politically correct non generalised question might be "is there a mindset of some on jwd?.
a while back i was browsing the forums and 2 posts stood out.
Thanks for the recent posts and also for those thread links much appreciated.
not sure if this is the correct place to post this but i thought it would be better in here out of the choices.
the title was to hopefully make you at least be interested in this post whereas the politically correct non generalised question might be "is there a mindset of some on jwd?.
a while back i was browsing the forums and 2 posts stood out.
Thanks again for all your replies.
Leolaia i know what you mean about comparing any two threads giving different results. I know to have been more accurate the same people should have posted in both threads but that would have been very unlikely. I guess i was just making an observation from those two threads and throwing it out in a general way. Not scientific but i thought an interesting question to ask what others felt about it.
Reefton Jack good proverb. I think i read that in a former post of yours with another one that escapes me at the minute.
greendawn thanks for your observation. I think if there were more JW's here to argue their case from what ive observed that is what the discussion would end up being an argument.
Outlaw so anybody who doesnt agree with you is a dimwit? lol you sure you havent carried anything over from JW's assuming that you were one and arent anymore?
Hortensia picking up on what you said in your first paragraph was kind of also in my mind when i posed the question.
Just to be a bit clearer on what i was asking. Obviously everyone is different but as a fairly high percentage on here are ex-JW's and carry over a negative experience (baggage) some to a higher degree than others and even hatred for the religion, they share something in common. From a psychological point of view wouldnt that make them more likely to accept negative info about JW's and "filter out" (quoted from Greendawn) any positive info therefore having a particular mindset even if it is a general one? I wasnt stating an opinion on wether i think this is good or bad just purely from psychological viewpoint. Maybe if i asked the question in a general way and changed JW to some other religion/cult therefore removing any baggage and it being about 'me' i might get a different viewpoint from some?
I think its only fair to give a brief description of my 'baggage'. In the 'truth' for a number of decades. Didnt fade just stopped going some months ago and havent been to a meeting since. I dont know wether that makes me just an inactive JW or an ex-JW as ive not ben disfellowshipped or disassociated. I dont carry any hatred or bitterness but i dont know wether that will change or not in the future.
not sure if this is the correct place to post this but i thought it would be better in here out of the choices.
the title was to hopefully make you at least be interested in this post whereas the politically correct non generalised question might be "is there a mindset of some on jwd?.
a while back i was browsing the forums and 2 posts stood out.
cultswatter If it was fact that as you say 99% of JW doctine is lies then that in itself isnt proof that a piece of information is correct and the truth is it? Every single bit of information should be evaluated individually on its own merits is all im saying.
DJK This is a jehovahs witness discussion forum and the point that the blood policy was a publicity stunt i would have thought would have been high up the interest or impotance chart but i take your point.
Tuesday Of course you dont have to source if you give an opinion as the one with the opinion is the source but i take your point. It was a while ago that i read the post and your comment has refreshed my mind a bit. Maybe the actual phrase "publicity stunt" wasnt in the book but what was quoted from it was basically saying it was a publicity stunt and thats why that phrase was said. The book i think was Edmond C. Gruss - The Four Presidents of the Watch Tower Society.
