PS: regarding acting in aggression for religious war:
It's one of the things people get too 'centric about--don't do it.
Someone could make a case for it, as with 1 Samuel 15:2-3, with God's
prerogative, though. But I'd point out that the example has it that God told
them to do it. So I'd like to see God have the clouds part and have Charleton
Heston talk from a shrub and tell me to do it--otherwise, forget it. So far,
it's never come up.
glenster
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Tell a minister why the Bible alone is not enough to reach jw
by carla inplease tell a minister why the bible alone is not enough to reach a jw.
i feel the language, doctrines, translation, etc..etc... all of it must be known as well as the bible.
please, serious answers only, thank you..
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Tell a minister why the Bible alone is not enough to reach jw
by carla inplease tell a minister why the bible alone is not enough to reach a jw.
i feel the language, doctrines, translation, etc..etc... all of it must be known as well as the bible.
please, serious answers only, thank you..
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glenster
God's prerogative--He has everyone die one way or another. See Job--you can
still be glad you got a chance at life and even find beauty in life whether or
not you believe in God. It's not a deciding factor. (Did I just defend Reniaa?) -
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Do JWs pave the way for Agnosticism/Atheism? My story.
by Open mind inmost j.w.s i grew up around werent superstitious.
friday the 13th, walking under ladders and spilled salt were for the blind and the ignorant.
we had been set free and knew better.. to be sure, some j.w.s had their own special theocratic superstitions.
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The JWs leaders don't believe, I know that.
All this "knowing" God is or isn't, though--believing in God is a matter of
faith. Don't mess with the see-able, touchable, measurable, like saying the
world was created in 4,004 BC. And don't be so 'centric you can't be friends
with different groups (belief/non-belief, age, race, nationality, etc.) because
that's when the trouble starts. And you're as free to believe in God as to love
a song wih no subjective obligation to anyone else or anyone else to you to
prove you have to logically. And if you try to persuade someone to your view,
I hope you're still friends afterward whether they go for it or not or somebody
f***ed up.
It's like Sydney Harris once said about the extreme conservative believers and
atheists who try to hard to persuade to their view--they have more in common
than they seem to realize. They're both trying to prove their case with the
see-able, touchable, measurable stuff, and that isn't even where the case is.
("I'll show you Noah's ark in the mountain" "Look at the see-able, touchable,
measurable--you know there's no God.")
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_J._Harris
They remind me of something Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone said about "Loose
Change": "I have no doubt that every time one of those Loose Change dickwads
opens his mouth, a Republican somewhere picks up five votes." They can fool
people into losing track of the issue--it's a faith issue.
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Tell a minister why the Bible alone is not enough to reach jw
by carla inplease tell a minister why the bible alone is not enough to reach a jw.
i feel the language, doctrines, translation, etc..etc... all of it must be known as well as the bible.
please, serious answers only, thank you..
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Sorry for the long posts, but this is kind of fun once you get the hang of it:
The holy spirit is described with a word that can mean something personal, and
personal terms, in the sense of the holy spirit being impersonal, which may be
retribution because the holy spirit wanted a higher billing.
The JWs leaders describe koshering--trying to remove all the blood from meat
before eating the meat--as a fanatical interpretation because you're supposed to
not eat blood in the sense of not eating about half of it. This is based on
seeing the meat as having "one" unit of blood (see above). There would be more
JWs leaders followers to say so but some of them died in hospitals.
The council of Acts 15 didn't write down this difference from the Jewish
koshering idea of the time because it's hard to get Jews to join the Jehovah's
Witnesses so they don't count. The various "because of the Jews" ideas used by
Luke and Paul in the context of the rules of Acts 15 aren't brought up because
the JWs leaders only like people to do things because of them and the Jews won't
do some of them. It's spiteful, and Luke and Paul are considered to be disap-
pointing in not having been made of sterner stuff.
Rutherford threatened Hitler that he'd send unarmed JWs into German streets
with tracts very critical of Hitler, and advised followers to become martyrs, in
the sense of sensibly protecting them. You should hear what he really wanted to
do to them for not bringing in better sales in Nazi Germany--ouch.
"Idolatry" means worshipping whatever other than God, whatever is most impor-
tant to someone who doesn't believe in God, and about whatever other damn
popular trend in behavior the JWs leaders feel like calling idolatry. So there,
pagan filth.
Shunning should only be used for making a persistent thing of a serious sin,
like lying, which is why JWs leaders like Rutherford never went door to door.
"Show me your faith by your works" was never meant in the sense of "show me
yours and I'll show you mine"--just "show me the ones I tell you to and shut
up," which was considered to have precedent in the way Russell and Rutherford
conducted their marital relationships.
"Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor
take away from it," Deut. 12:32, is meant in the sense of "one" (see above)
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Tell a minister why the Bible alone is not enough to reach jw
by carla inplease tell a minister why the bible alone is not enough to reach a jw.
i feel the language, doctrines, translation, etc..etc... all of it must be known as well as the bible.
please, serious answers only, thank you..
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glenster
You have to speak to someone in the language they understand or you can run
into a "Who's on first?" routine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who%27s_on_First%3F
A brief but representative list for the JWs leaders' Bible vocabulary in-
cludes:
"One," used about God, doesn't mean "one"-- it means He can only has the
mental complexity to know people's thoughts and hearts as good as one of us
could, provided we could read minds, too, because more than that is too
complicated for people to understand. Leaving them puzzled about how to read
minds is acceptable so they don't get too sure of themselves. The practice of
waiting in line to take turns to pray to God was given up by Russell after he
had more than a roomful of puzzled followers, but the difficulty remained with
him to set dates for predictions with any numbers bigger than one.
God said no one was with Him in Creation in Isaiah in the sense of it being
very important for us to know one was with him and took part in it. Mainstream
Christians are advised to study the understand the meaning of "one" here, too.
People understood wisdom in the intertestament wisdom literature as being
God's wisdom personified and sent to people in a sense that confused people
beyond reconciliation, so they decided it meant archangel Michael was sent to
people with a message from God--you just weren't supposed to call Michael
"Michael" in case that's wrong.
This persisted when you could call the Father YHWH but you weren't supposed to
call Jesus "archangel Michael," either, which really miffed Stephen when people
gathered around with rocks.
Jesus was the "only" Son, "the" Son, not in the sense of the mainstream view
that there was only one Son that was like that (a conventional "one"), but in
the sense that only one of the archangels, Michael, believed in at the time was
one. The others were designated with fractions on their team shirts so people
could keep track of who they were rooting for. Again, mainstream Christians say
"It's a mystery" about it mainly because they know it annoys the JW leaders'
followers even if the mainstream Christians perfectly well understand fractions.
Thomas said the Shema to Jesus when he lost his doubt about who Jesus was
because it was just something he said to the Father whenever he got excited.
Obviously, this could lead to other humorous, if dangerous, problems of
identification.
Both the mental complexity shown in God knowing everyone's thoughts and hearts
and being able to create an angel from nothing but His own power, the abilities
of God used by the mainstream and JWs leaders idea of Jesus, are in the Bible
and beyond our ability to fully understand in the sense of the former one not
being in the Bible because it's beyond our ability to understand. Most Chris-
tians don't understand this.
Paul meant he didn't have a ban of a food per se in the sense of him having
had one--one even more important than before.
Various early Christians in later related history had the basic mainstream
view of Jesus in the sense of them having had the basic JWs leaders' stance.
If you want to be confused, try to understand why they debated Arians who had
the same outlook.
Russell meant wars, famines, etc., aren't an omen about Jesus' return in the
sense of them being one if a big war starts.
You're supposed to regard human government as though the higher authorites of
Rom.13 are the Father and Son even if you call the higher authorities human
government. It's best to avoid civil service jobs till we figure this out. -
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God confused peoples language so they couldn't build Babel....a load of crap!
by Witness 007 inyeah well, back in the day a group of people built a tower to heaven, so god confused their languages so they would not build a "mega city" and become powerful.. or if you want to used half a brain....languages evolved over time as a form of comunication between different tribes.
many languages are related, slavic or asian languages share the same or simular words.
oh and the cherry on top is adam and eve spoke yiddish.....ooie mashugana!
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One somewhat literal interpretation to hazard, not that I'm pressing for a
literal interpretation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Genesis#Abraham
Creation: plants before aquatic life and birds before animals? Is this in
regard to early forms of the Paleozoic Era? However science says it was done,
God did it that way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleozoic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_according_to_Genesis
Adam and Eve--first man and woman given God's purpose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_of_God
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
Noah--a regional flood could be the whole world as he knew it and have been a
serious setback to population growth early on in the development of modern
people. (It wouldn't make such and old man build such a big boat, either.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah%27s_Ark
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Tell a minister why the Bible alone is not enough to reach jw
by carla inplease tell a minister why the bible alone is not enough to reach a jw.
i feel the language, doctrines, translation, etc..etc... all of it must be known as well as the bible.
please, serious answers only, thank you..
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glenster
The Bible, in various forms of writing, is by people of faith who ask Chris-
tians for faith in a possible God. Sometimes related evidence and reason helps
show which form the author meant--literal, figurative, allegorical for theolog-
ical teaching, etc. There have been times when this has changed which interpre-
tation to use for people who want to have faith in it.
Unlike the miraculous nature of Jesus, the JWs leaders, who play prophet
whether they call it that or not, and leave no doubt as to the kind of interpre-
tations they intend, are currently available for testing, and they claim the
best Bible-related evidence and reason proves that their dozen or so distinctive
or relatively distinctive rules are what the original Bible authors meant. But
checking that out leads to something like finding Peter Popoff had a radio
transmitter in his ear.
Don't victimize his followers, too, or just write a cranky intolerant
editorial for believers or non-believers who are different than you--keep your
focus on the transmitter. Then it's one great big "we are the world" of people
who don't like liars who can hurt people.
http://gtw6437.tripod.com/
An important difference for those who want to have faith: God is possible, the
JWs leaders aren't.
So the JWs leaders' re-written Bible is just part of their literature (invisi-
ble appearances by Jesus, various bad teaching habits regarding his nature and
what scripture writers and early Christians thought it was, expanded ideas about
worldliness, food rules about blood to be abided to unto death that would give
apostle Paul a curious expression, etc.), and they require followers to avoid
persistent critics like poison. The JWs leaders don't have a Jonestown--they
send their customers around to all sorts of people, so they see to it that re-
searchers who catch onto them aren't around long to tell customers their find-
ings.
Faith in God beyond the see-able, touchable, measurable things can be a deeply
meaningful, important thing to a person, and doesn't require you to mess with
those things or get so 'centric that you can't be friends with others. The JWs
leaders mess with those things and get people to be too 'centric. They sell
people into throwing their faith, sometimes loved ones or lives, away in the
direction of that whole routine and to not show the common sense of wanting to
hear both sides at a trial for it before rendering judgment. The JWs leaders
don't fare well as the defendants of such a trial, so they intend that their
customers shouldn't be much good for jury duty for anything important they have
for sale.
The JWs leaders can't ask you to just use the Bible because even the Bible
writers, as miraculous as some of the things they ask you to believe are, can't
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God confused peoples language so they couldn't build Babel....a load of crap!
by Witness 007 inyeah well, back in the day a group of people built a tower to heaven, so god confused their languages so they would not build a "mega city" and become powerful.. or if you want to used half a brain....languages evolved over time as a form of comunication between different tribes.
many languages are related, slavic or asian languages share the same or simular words.
oh and the cherry on top is adam and eve spoke yiddish.....ooie mashugana!
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If...and...had a child, the baby might grow up to look like....
by glenster inhttp://www.morphthing.com/.
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CT Russell on parody site
by Steve_C infound this article on a current events parody site.
thought it was interestingly bizarre that ct russell was chosen.. http://www.staggeron.org/universe.html#dead_vote_for_obama.
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According to that, he died and went to Pittsburgh. It looks like he'd be the
yard keeper there at Rosemont. I guess there are worse places you could end
up in.