Probably not. It can be a deeply meaningful, important thing to a person. It
was and will always be a choice whether or not to make a faith commitment, a
hope in a possible God beyond the see-able, touchable, measurable things. Our
understanding of those things change, and some interpretations, too. But some
people will want to have faith just like some people will like a song though
they can't prove to another logically the other has to or the other can prove
logically the first one can't. You probably won't prove the Ark is in the hill
or our understanding about the hill proves there's no God. Just don't be so
'centric about whichever choice that you can't be friendly with any nice people
different about it--nobody should get hurt or killed over this stuff--too retro.
Some of either kind of people in some parts of the world need to relax about
that.
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Belief in God, the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, and Fairy God Mothers
by frankiespeakin inwhen we were a young child full of wonder at the world, so new, so innocent, we believed what ever mommy and daddy told us, if they said there was a tooth fairy why we believed it until we got older(hopefully) especially when we get our permanent teeth.. santa was probably discarded around the same time as the tooth fairy give or take a few years depending on gullibility or lack of it.. well lets face it we probably figured out the easter bunny first for the simple reason you only got some eggs,, which you can have any day of the week and you get to eat a lot of chocolate bunnies ears off not very pious mind you, nor do you fear the bunny might seek revenge for the impious act in some way like god might do remembering: the ark and ussa or wassa or something.
that definately should be considered as a contributing factor as to why and what order they get debuncked tooth fairy danta the benifit factor need to be brought in.. god too has to go in time, eventually, just like not all at once and for everybody.
religion to control the mind is on a head on course with human species vastly excellerated enlightenment.
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Massive Ancient Wall Uncovered in Jerusalem
by cameo-d inan archaeological dig in jerusalem has turned up a 3,700-year-old wall that is the largest and oldest of its kind found in the region, experts say.. ....israel antiquities authority added, ..... all the boulders are 4 to 5 tons.".
the discovered section is 24 meters (79 feet) long.
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from jw yahoo group . . name dropping
by booby ini too have fond memories of fred franz.
i served in brooklyn bethel from 1978 to 1987. brother franz would go to the 119 columbia heights sauna every wednesday night.
he had a small following of brothers, including me, who would also go on wednesday nights to the sauna just to pick his brain.
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The fool's gold rule: have the pot call the kettle "the pan calling the pot
black."
"SHARING RICHES WITH THE POOR
"Perhaps the dominant appeals of the pope during his American visit were to
reject materialism and to share with the poor. A few hours after lecturing the
United Nations on this matter, he told an audience of some 80,000 at New York's
Yankee Stadium: 'We must find a simple way of living. For it is not right that
the standard of living of the rich countries should seek to maintain itself by
draining off a great part of the reserves of energy and raw materials that are
meant to serve the whole of humanity.'
"However, what effect do you suppose those words have when coming from a man
clad in royal robes, who rides around in beautiful limousines and lives in con-
siderable luxury? Bishop Mariano Gaviola, secretary-general of the 1970 Bishops
Conference of the Philippines, gave some idea as he noted: 'When the bishops
[and we can add, the pope] condemn graft and corruption in the government or
speak against the misuse of wealth, some people wonder whether it is not a case
of the pan calling the pot black.'
"But will the Church follow this proposal? Will it practice sharing its wealth
with the poor, as the pope advised the rich nations to do? It has not been in-
clined to do this in the past; whether it yet will do so remains to be seen.
"However, the really important question is not: Will the Church practice what
the pope preached? Rather, it is: Will it practice what the Bible teaches?
("The Watchtower," Jan.1, 1980, pp.6,7, "Will the Church Practice What the Pope
Preached?")
http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/religion_-_money.html
Oral robbers
"Sexual Conduct… concerning the marriage bed, individuals can, however, be
advised that in their intimate relations, as in all other aspects of Christian
life, they need to… have a hatred for all perverted practices including homo-
sexuality, bestiality, oral sex and the like (Lev. 18:22,23; Ps. 97:10; Amos 5:
15; Rom. 12:9; Eph. 5:3,10-12; Col. 3:5,6) Persons should be urged to act in
such a way as to leave them with a clean conscience, and the marriage bed unde-
filed. (Heb. 13:4)" ("Kingdom Ministry School Textbook," 1981, p.151)
http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/oral_sex.html
"A university degree may or may not improve your employment prospects. But one
fact is indisputable: "The time left is reduced"! (1 Corinthians 7:29) For all
its presumed benefits, would four years or more in a university be the best use
of that remaining time?—Ephesians 5:16." ("Awake!" May 8, 1989, pp.13-14, "What
Career Should I Choose?) More from the same article is at the next link.
http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/education.html
Satanic sand the floor, wax on--wax off, paint the fence
"It is not in harmony with the spirit of 1 Corinthians 13 : 4-7 or Isaiah 2:4
for a Christian to learn karate, judo, or other martial arts. A brother would
be disqualified as an elder, a ministerial servant, or a pioneer if he took up
the study of such martial arts and practiced them. A person publicly advocating
such could be dealt with in line with 2 Thessalonians 3:13-15. As in the case
of a person who takes up professional boxing and continues in such a course, he
would be expelled from the congregation. ("The Watchtower," July 1, 1981, pp.30,
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from jw yahoo group . . name dropping
by booby ini too have fond memories of fred franz.
i served in brooklyn bethel from 1978 to 1987. brother franz would go to the 119 columbia heights sauna every wednesday night.
he had a small following of brothers, including me, who would also go on wednesday nights to the sauna just to pick his brain.
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Fred Franz--a few highlights of one of the few of the 144,000--Prophet of
Prophets:
1944 The fall of Jerusalem was moved back one year from 606 to 607 BC. ("The
Kingdom is at Hand," 1944, pp.171-175) Don't you kids try that at home. This
made it suit the time that was given for the start of the Gentile Times--moved
from 606 BC to 607 BC in 1943.
http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/evolution-of-606-to-607-bce-in.html
1943
LAWYER: At any rate, Jehovah God is now the editor of the paper, is that
right?
F.FRANZ: He is today the editor of the paper.
LAWYER: How long has he been editor of the paper?
F.FRANZ: Since its inception he has been guiding it.
LAWYER: Even before 1931?
F.FRANZ: Yes, sir.
1986 "Would That All Were Prophets! You will be interested to learn that God
has on earth a people, all of whom are prophets, or witnesses for God. In fact,
they are known throughout the world as Jehovah's Witnesses." ("Awake!" June 8,
1986, p.9)
"What is required if one is to become an approved associate of Jehovah's Wit-
nesses?
"Such a person must accept the entire range of Bible teachings, including
those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah's Witnesses." ("The Watch-
tower," April 15, 1986, p.31)
http://gwest59.tripod.com/ChristIsLord/id44.html
Prediction about the end of the millennium:
1989 "The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity.
He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th
century." ("The Watchtower," January 1, 1989, p.12)
Later that year it was decided that the wrong supernatural voice gave that
advice and to deny and cover up having ever listened to them:
1989 "We have ample reasons to expect that this preaching will be completed
in our time. Does that mean before the turn of a new month, a new year, a new
decade, a new century? No human knows.." ("The Watchtower," October 1, 1989)
"20th century" of the Jan.1, 1989 tract was re-written as "day," without an
editor's correction note, for the JWs bound collection of tracts:
1989 "The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity.
He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our day."
("The Hand of Jehovah Was With Them," "The Watchtower," Jan. 1, 1989, p.12)
http://www.watchman.org/jw/watchtower2000.htm#2
Special knowledge about earthquakes:
"In comparison with the previous 2,000 years, the average per year has been 20
times as great since 1914." ("Reasoning from the Scriptures," 1985, p.236)
How to show a kid you love them with a birthday party:
"This tragedy can be avoided with proper teaching from as early in the in-
fant's life as possible...the chapter explains that the only two birthday par-
ties mentioned in the Bible were celebrated by pagans, who did not worship Jeho-
vah, and that at each party 'someone's head was chopped off.' (Mark 6:17-29;
Genesis 40:20-22) How can you use this information to reach your child's
heart?" ("The Watchtower," Aug.1, 1988, pp.13,15)
Ooo--I feel all warm and gooey inside.
Accurate knowledge proves the existance of Satanic atheistic fossil links,
Satanic atheistic medical use of blood and major blood fractions, Satanic
atheistic Civil Service dentists, and that all non-JWs preachers are Satanic and
atheistic:
"The faith of Jehovah's Witnesses is under attack from all sides--by the
clergy of Christendom who hate the Kingdom message we take from house to house,
by apostates who collaborate with Christendom's clergy, by medical authorities
who want to impose blood transfusions on us and our children, by atheistic
scientists who reject belief in God and the creation, and by those who try to
force us to compromise our neutrality. All this opposition is orchestrated by
Satan, the ruler of darkness and ignorance, the enemy of accurate knowledge."
("The Watchtower," Dec.1, 1989, p.12)
http://www.ajwrb.org/watchtower/data1.shtml
"Who are you going to believe--me or your own eyes?" (Groucho Marx):
"So the expression 'every eye will see him' means that everyone will then"
(1914) "understand or recognize that Christ is present" ("Paradise," 1982, p.
146) (The JWs leaders maintained the Nelson Barbour view that Russell main-
tained about Rev.1:7.)
It's generally thought that the Shema, prayer, and worship were a few of the
most important ways 1st cent. Jews showed belief in the one God.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/5490/Seminar1/Hurtado.htm
http://www.forananswer.org/Top_JW/Hurtado_Monotheism.htm
This is a Satanic apostate lie. Actually, a distinguishing feature of 1st
cent. Jews is that they beat people to death with rocks if they thought they saw
an angel:
"To whom should prayers be addressed?
"The Bible book of Hebrews speaks of a person that 'approaches God.' (Hebrews
11:6) Who is this God? There is but one almighty God, though there are many man-
made and false gods. (1 Corinthians 8:5, 6) The almighty God of the Bible is
named Jehovah. (Psalm 83:18) He is the Creator of all things, and for this
reason prayer should be directed only to him. ("The Watchtower," March 15, 1988,
p.6)
http://www.jude3.net/jws_should_pray_to_jesus.htm
"But what about the apostle Thomas' saying, 'My Lord and my God!' to Jesus at
John 20:28? To Thomas, Jesus was like 'a god,' especially in the miraculous
circumstances that prompted his exclamation. Some scholars suggest that Thomas
may simply have made an emotional exclamation of astonishment, spoken to Jesus
but directed to God."
The NWT (Fred Franz, editor) re-wrote "Lord" as "Jehovah" at Acts 2:21, Rom.
1:13, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_William_Franz
"And they went on casting stones at Stephen as he made appeal and said: 'Lord
Jesus, receive my spirit.' Then, bending his knees, he cried out with a strong
voice: 'Jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.' And after saying this
he fell asleep [in death]." (Acts 7:59,60, NWT)
People who want JWs to be helped with the medical use of blood and major blood
fractions are sexual brutes. Flee from their grubby grasps even if you have to
suffer for the sake of righteousness:
"...to force blood on a Christian would be the equivalent of forcible sex--
rape." ("How Can Blood Save Your Life?" 1990, pp.4,8,14,20,22,27)
"How strenuously should a Christian resist a blood transfusion that has been
ordered or authorized by a court? God's law must be obeyed! ...if a court-
authorized transfusion seemed likely, a Christian might choose to avoid being
accessible for such a violation of God's law.... If a Christian did put forth
very strenuous efforts to avoid a violation of God's law on blood, authorities
might consider him a lawbreaker or make him liable to prosecution. If punish-
ment did result, the Christian could view it as suffering for the sake of right-
eousness." ("The Watchtower," June 15, 1991, p.31)
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Governing Body's excuse - "the apostles made mistakes too"
by xelder inwe have all heard how the gb can make mistakes and it's ok because jesus apostles had wrong expectations too.
for instance.
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Governing Body's excuse - "the apostles made mistakes too"
by xelder inwe have all heard how the gb can make mistakes and it's ok because jesus apostles had wrong expectations too.
for instance.
peter had faults, james and john too - also, "lord, are you restoring the kingdom to isreal at this time" - etc.
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Massive Ancient Wall Uncovered in Jerusalem
by cameo-d inan archaeological dig in jerusalem has turned up a 3,700-year-old wall that is the largest and oldest of its kind found in the region, experts say.. ....israel antiquities authority added, ..... all the boulders are 4 to 5 tons.".
the discovered section is 24 meters (79 feet) long.
"however, it is thought the fortification is much longer because it continues west beyond the part that was exposed....... .
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Women Apostles in New Testament Times
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Really, There Is A Lot To Learn About Your Faith
by AllTimeJeff inin ak - jeffs thread "did jesus ever claim to be the messiah", narkissos said the following that i think, and have learned, is rather profound:.
a better approach to this discussion might start with questioning the presupposition that there was one concept of "messiahship" common to all or even most 1st-century ad jews.. the idea is, we assume that the faith and religion we have now, is as it was way back then... clearly, it isn't.. i haven't devoted a great deal of my time to this subject, but i have read enough to realize that there is a lot more to the history of our churches and religions then we think.
jw history is pretty easy, as they started in the late 19th century.
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