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  Rutherford's Great Crowd

  by glenster in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on may 31, 1935, at a washington, dc, jws convention, rutherford moved the.

  great crowd to earth.. is there something from the time where rutherford makes clear he meant.

  russell's universalism is over and only jws would live on earth?.

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  glenster

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fBj2wsimvQ
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  Mass Murder

  by cantleave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  knowing that most people condemn ethnic cleansing and the extermination of the jews, how do you as a jw's rationalise mass murder by god at armageddon?.

  i always had problems reconcilling this and was wondering if anyone really could..

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  glenster

  Before you decide on this, are you sure you'd want everyone around you
  forever? There are some people I wouldn't want to be around for a minute.
  Imagine what it could look like to a higher quality being than one of us.
  Russell's ideas brought it to my attention, although he had a variation of it
  with himself part of an elite 144,000, so it wasn't exactly universalism.

  The prevalent view for the first five or six centuries was Christian univer-
  salism. Everyone was out of God's good graces since Adam and Eve, so everyone
  is covered by the crucifixion, so everyone goes to heaven.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Universalism
  
  Be careful what you wish for. You may get it.
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  Best Guitar Riff Ever?

  by cantleave in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  legendary guitarist jimi hendrix's 'voodoo child (slight return)' has been voted as the best guitar riff ever by the users of musicians' website musicradar.com.. what do you guys and gals think?.

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  glenster

  Disclaimer: freedom of subjective reaction--there is no such thing as a best riff.
  I'd make a big list of personal favorites.
  I like Voodoo Chile but thought of it more as a memorable blues song than a
  riff song. My favorite Hendrix song is Villanova Junction.
  http://www.guitaretab.com/h/hendrix-jimi/8136.html
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  607 and 1914 etc ----help please

  by AdaMakawee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  could someone please point me in the direction of some threads disproving the chronology for the 1914 date?

  my brother needs this for a discussion he's having with a jw.. thanks,.

  ada.

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  glenster

  http://www.freewebs.com/glenster1/gtjbrooklyn1c.htm
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  How old is human culture?

  by PSacramento in

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  2. beliefs

  liu, li.

  the chinese neolithic: trajectories to early states.

  the peiligang culture (????

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  glenster

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtNdYsoool8
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  How old is human culture?

  by PSacramento in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  liu, li.

  the chinese neolithic: trajectories to early states.

  the peiligang culture (????

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  glenster

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology
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  untitled

  by acolytes in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi stephen.

  without the mathmatical gymnastics of"a day for a year "adam did not die on the day he ate the forbidden fruit.. had he been aware of the consequences of his actions then possibly he could be held accountable to some degree.. according to my understanding of the account adam did nothing wrong.

  mans inhumanity to man and the senceless tragities in the world are fully accountable to god.

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  glenster

  I think it refers to a belief that God let people go on with free will and
  common human selfishness. As the one who presides over it all, God is responsi-
  ble for letting it happen and people for doing what they do. The aspect of
  God's responsibility isn't the whole responsibility to see but is an important
  part of it, and it also comes up in the mainstream view of Jesus.

  The mainstream view is that God's punishment extended to the descendants--all
  future people would be Adam and Eve types--of free will, inherent sin, and would
  die. Mankind fell from God's graces. The best they could do was atone for
  their bad choices, but not make up for the rest nor was it their place to--the
  rest was caused by what God made them to be. The one who made them that way
  would reconcile people to Himself on the cross--for belief in him, people would
  be counted as sinless, etc.

  The JWs leaders' version has it that God's justice required that he punish
  all descendants for what Adam (actually two people) did. The descendants (who
  hadn't made themselves of inherent sin and who'd die) could make up for the resty
  (that they really weren't responsible for) by believing in God having archangel
  Michael (who had no part in the thing on either end) sent to be sacrificed.

  Either way, it's a faith commitment concern, but I always thought the JWs
  leaders' version made for a strange court case. If I was Michael, I'd complain:
  "You made them that way and want me to go down there and do WHAT?! Oh, no--you
  did this--you take care of it."

  The pain and suffering: overlooking that of it caused by people as their free
  will choice, the best perspective on what to make of God and that is to take the
  idea of Job's outlook then see it with or without God. Either way, the best you
  can do is look at all the bad things of the world and be glad for your shot at
  it and what good you found in it, like love between people, etc. To character-
  ize it as all bad or all good would be wrong. If you add God to Job's outlook,
  it's like that, to be gald for your shot at life, etc, not for an all-beneficent
  God any more than for a perfect Godless world or we'd all live in heavenly
  circumstances forever.
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  Rutherford's Great Crowd

  by glenster in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on may 31, 1935, at a washington, dc, jws convention, rutherford moved the.

  great crowd to earth.. is there something from the time where rutherford makes clear he meant.

  russell's universalism is over and only jws would live on earth?.

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  glenster

  On May 31, 1935, at a Washington, DC, JWs convention, Rutherford moved the
  Great Crowd to Earth.

  Is there something from the time where Rutherford makes clear he meant
  Russell's Universalism is over and ONLY JWs would live on earth?
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  How old is human culture?

  by PSacramento in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  liu, li.

  the chinese neolithic: trajectories to early states.

  the peiligang culture (????

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  glenster

  Tool-Making Human Ancestors Inhabited Grassland Environments Two
  Million Years Ago
  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091020203420.htm

  Other links
  http://www.sciencedaily.com/news/fossils_ruins/cultures/
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization
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  Mass Murder

  by cantleave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  knowing that most people condemn ethnic cleansing and the extermination of the jews, how do you as a jw's rationalise mass murder by god at armageddon?.

  i always had problems reconcilling this and was wondering if anyone really could..

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  glenster

  I'm not one of the JWs, but I'll start the ball rolling by saying one is
  people killing people without a reason of defense or justice. It was mainly due
  to bastardized Darwinism about race. It didn't bring about heaven but just
  added a huge death toll to history and human government went on.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi#Racism_and_discrimination

  The other is a faith/hope concern that God, who has the prerogative to give or
  take human life, someday ends all human authority, including the ability to
  cause such things, and replaces it with rule in heaven/Paradise, swords turned
  to plowshares, etc., by God.

  The conflict would change doubters and take everyone into the next phase
  (Russell) or just take those who went along with God according to the JWs
  leaders overview of things (Rutherford on).
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Universalism
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon#Jehovah.27s_Witnesses