Regarding the Jews as Christ killers thread:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_deicide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deicide
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Rutherford's love letter to Hitler
by irondork inhas anyone ever thought to send a copy of rutherford's letter to hitler & declaration of facts to the holocaust museum in washington, d.c.?
they have and entire section dedicated to the jehovah's witness in that museum.
i would hate for tourists to visit the museum and not get the whole story.. i would also assume there are jw displays at other holocaust museums around the world.
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Rutherford's love letter to Hitler
by irondork inhas anyone ever thought to send a copy of rutherford's letter to hitler & declaration of facts to the holocaust museum in washington, d.c.?
they have and entire section dedicated to the jehovah's witness in that museum.
i would hate for tourists to visit the museum and not get the whole story.. i would also assume there are jw displays at other holocaust museums around the world.
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Is there an Internet reprint of "The Golden Age," March 28, 1934, p.397?
Is there an Internet reprint of "The Golden Age," January 16, 1935, p.237?
Is there an Internet reprint of the full speech by McFadden featuring this
quote?:"There should be some action taken to further stop such intolerance in the use
of radio (and that during this session of Congress) to prevent the further en-
trenchment of such powers. That is the reason why I have introduced this bill and
am asking for consideration of it at this time."
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/142454/2/WTBTS-Official-Testified-in-the-US-Congress-that-Rutherford-is-InspiredHere's what I have so far on the Rutherford-McFadden connection:
Louis Thomas McFadden (1876-1936) (Republican, U.S. Representative from Penn-
sylvania in Congress, 1915-1935)
http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=M000434On June 10, 1932, McFadden made a 25-minute speech--a Federal Reserve conspir-
acy theory rant--before the House of Representatives.
http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/flaherty/flaherty10.html
http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=McFadden1932&E=FedResBoard
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16502353/Congressional-Record-June-10-1932-Louis-T-McFaddenIn 1934, he made several anti-semitic comments from the floor of the house and
in newsletters to his constituents wherein he cited the Protocols of the Elders
of Zion, claimed the Roosevelt administration was controlled by Jews, and ob-
jected to Henry Morgenthau Jr., a Jew, becoming Secretary of the Treasury. Drew
Pearson claimed in his "Washington Merry-Go-Round" column that, in a publication
by the American fascist Silver Shirts, McFadden had been "extensively" quoted "in
support of Adolf Hitler". In September the Nazi tabloid Der Stuermer praised Mc-
Fadden. He was also lauded by the publications of William Dudley Pelley, leader
of the Silver Shirts, on several occasions. On election day that year he lost to
Charles E. Dietrich by "about 2,000 votes". This was the only election between
1912 and 1950 when the district elected a Democrat.According to McFadden's Jewish Telegraphic Agency [[obituary]: ‘In January
1935, he announced his candidacy for president with the backing of an organiza-
tion called "the Independent Republican National Christian-Gentile Committee" on
a platform to"keep the Jew out of control of the Republican Party!"’ Not garner-
ing much support for his presidential bid, he tried to win back his congressional
seat. He lost the nomination by a wide-margin to Col. Albert G. Rutherford who
went on to win the general election.
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Louis_Thomas_McFadden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Thomas_McFaddenJoseph Rutherford propagandized against mainstream clergy and Jews as notable
figures behind the corrupt "Big Business" of the world. In his 1934 Declaration
of Facts, he described "Big Business" using the word "octopus" in the way common-
ly used at the time as an anti-semitic canard--that Jews were trying to control
the world like an octopus covering the Earth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_canard#Accusations_of_plotting_to_control_the_world"That warning was unheeded, and the selfish commercial element, which is other-
wise called 'Big Business', has stealthily and constantly moved forward to its
goal. With grasping arms like the tentacles of a mighty octapus it has laid hold
upon practically all of the visible wealth of the Nation."The same selfish interests own and control the professional clergymen, and
these men make merchandise of the Word of God in order to keep the people in ig-
norance and in subjection to the ruling powers."'Big Business' and their mouthpieces, namely, the commercialized clergy re-
ferred to are represensible before God for hindering the truth concerning the
present conditions in America and the means which might provide a remedy for the
people, by God's help."The Declaration of Facts "opposes the Jewish materialist spirit domestically
and abroad"--it opposed the 1933 American Anti-Nazi boycott of German businesses
in favoring the German Nazi policy against Jewish businesses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Nazi_boycott_of_1933Rutherford used the same sort of ideas as McFadden in his propaganda against
Jews regarding government and business.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/142454/2/WTBTS-Official-Testified-in-the-US-Congress-that-Rutherford-is-InspiredMcFadden submitted H. R. 7986 to Congress on Feb.14, 1934, to protect the
freedom of speech on the airwaves.
http://books.google.com/books?id=TxudLzYPpAEC&pg=PA330&lpg=PA330&dq=McFadden+H.R.+7986&source=bl&ots=5o98jAZ0oj&sig=-6eH4_wBiVdCNO5_kCf9EFxaA14&hl=en&sa=X&ei=CshhUIbmMYeV0QGP0IGgAw&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=H.R.%207986&f=falseRutherford prepared a "Petition and Protest" for JWs to distribute throughout
the country to support the proposed bill. They obtained 2,416,000 signatures.
The Golden Age had the following remarks on the petition and bill:"The Golden Age," March 28, 1934, p.397
Free Radio Essential to People's Liberties
The petition circulated by Jehovah's witnesses and others, calling upon Con-
gress to safeguard the right of the people to hear over the radio whatsoever they
wish to hear, received a wide response. It manifested that the people want to
have the truth told. The clergy, to shield themselves in their inconsistent
position before the people, not only have sought to misrepresent and oppose Judge
Rutherford, but have also misrepresented the petition which was signed by nearly
two and a half million persons.... Petition or no petition, this is the issue,
and it is up to Congress to take appropriate action. Bill H.R. 7986, now before
the Congress for consideration, meets the needs of the case exactly, and if
passed, will prevent further interference with the free use of the radio or un-
just discrimination against some and in favor of other broadcasters.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/142454/2/WTBTS-Official-Testified-in-the-US-Congress-that-Rutherford-is-InspiredRutherford had thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses petition and lobby for public
support for passage of this Congressional bill into law (Golden Age, 28 March
1934, p. 397), and the Secretary of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society (Arthur
R. Goux) testified in the Congressional hearings in support of the bill.Rutherford's views on Big Business and Jews were also strikingly similar to
that of McFadden's, and when McFadden failed in his bid for re-election, the
Golden Age published an article that praised him as "courageous and honest and
capable" and asserted that McFadden was used by God and his loss at the election
was the work of Satan: "Naturally the Devil and his ally, the Roman Catholic
Church, would do everything possible to prevent the return to Congress of any man
who would dare to stand for liberty and righteousness in this evil time. We are
assured that God, who gave him such great privileges of usefulness last winter
[when McFadden submitted H. R. 7986 to Congress], is not forgetful or indifferent
and the time will come when Louis T. McFadden will look back and rejoice that he
was permitted to be absent when scenes about to be enacted shall occur" (16
January 1935 issue, p. 237).
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/230379/1/Judge-Rutherford-Was-Extremely-Politically-NeutralClayton Woodworth, editor of "The Golden Age," in the Jan.16, 1935, p.237, is-
sue, indicated he believed McFadden was used by God to accomplish His divine pur-
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Rutherford's love letter to Hitler
by irondork inhas anyone ever thought to send a copy of rutherford's letter to hitler & declaration of facts to the holocaust museum in washington, d.c.?
they have and entire section dedicated to the jehovah's witness in that museum.
i would hate for tourists to visit the museum and not get the whole story.. i would also assume there are jw displays at other holocaust museums around the world.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad nears last UN speech: expect a doozy
by glenster inby howard lafranchi | christian science monitor.
mahmoud ahmadinejad is in the us ahead of his last speech to the.
un as iranian president wednesday, and he's already living up to.
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“Insulting divine figures would not be deemed as a crime? Of course it would
be,” Ahmadinejad told a group of American editors and reporters. “Of course, the
punishments for various crimes should differ based on the nature of the crimes
committed.”He's ultra-orthodox Abrahamic, claims proof of God so wants religion as law of
the land with punishments, execution of LGBT people....Apparently referring to Germany’s law prohibiting public denial of the Holo-
caust, Ahmadinejad said the same people who condone insults against Islam make it
a crime to “embark on historical research.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denialA messy statement. He's obviously against laws that advocate separation of
church and state and free speech, which allows insults of the various belief and
non-belief views. But some countries that make Holocaust denial a crime also
limit hate speech generally. And the most notable recent example of speech
insulting Muslims, the Innocence of Muslims, was created in the US, which allows
such speech (aside from exceptions such as defamation, incitement to riot, and
fighting words) and Holocaust study, even denial.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_of_MuslimsCNN’s Morgan on Ahmadinejad: ‘Really quite extreme bigotry’
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad nears last UN speech: expect a doozy
by glenster inby howard lafranchi | christian science monitor.
mahmoud ahmadinejad is in the us ahead of his last speech to the.
un as iranian president wednesday, and he's already living up to.
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glenster
By Howard LaFranchi | Christian Science Monitor
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is in the US ahead of his last speech to the
UN as Iranian president Wednesday, and he's already living up to
his reputation as a provocateur.Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad takes his final bow at the United Nations
this week, and he’s likely to go out more like a lion than a lamb.The global provocateur may be winding up his second and final term as president
in dispute with Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and held in low
esteem by the Iranian public as Iran’s economy falters under tough international
sanctions.But if his first comments after landing in New York for this week’s UN General
Assembly are any indication, Mr. Ahmadinejad can be expected to outrage again
when he speaks Wednesday from the UN podium.Speaking to reporters Monday, Ahmadinejad dismissed Israel as having “no roots
in [Middle Eastern] history” and ridiculed Israel’s threats to launch air strikes
against Iran’s nuclear facilities. “We do not take seriously the threats of the
Zionists,” he said. “We have all the defensive means at our disposal, and we are
ready to defend ourselves.”Prospects for surprise Israeli military action against Iran have roiled US-Is-
rael relations in recent weeks, with President Obama and Israeli Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu openly disputing whether it’s time for military action. Some
foreign policy experts predict Israel will reluctantly wait until after US elec-
tions for clearer support from the US. In the meantime, they say, Ahmadinejad is
using the threat of attack to trot out his trademark bravado while trying to
boost his standing at home.On the international stage, Ahmadinejad continues to present himself as the de-
fender of a new world order that would give emerging powers – and in particular
Muslim counties – their due. Earlier this month, he hosted a summit of the Non-
Aligned Movement in Tehran.On Monday, the Iranian president addressed a high-level UN meeting on the rule
of law – an appearance that drew howls of protest from human-rights advocates.
Human rights in Iran have deteriorated further since the regime violently put
down the country’s “green revolution” in 2009, rights promoters say. They also
cite the plight of religious minorities, homosexuals, and dissidents in Iran.Ahmadinejad used his time at the UN meeting to sound a moderate note, insisting
that Iran’s nuclear program is for peaceful, civilian purposes. He also said that
time has not run out on diplomatic efforts to resolve the crisis – leaving him
sounding a bit like Mr. Obama, who insists that the diplomatic window, while nar-
rowing, has not yet closed.As usual, Ahmadinejad's visit to the US is causing a stir. The US group United
Against Nuclear Iran every year tries to “shame" New York hotels into slamming
their doors in the Iranian leader’s face – and is as busy as ever mounting anti-
Ahmadinejad protests this year, too.In a bit of a if-you-can’t-beat-'em-join-‘em move, UANI has set up its command
post in the Warwick Hotel – after failing to convince the West 54th Street es-
tablishment to deny the Iranian a room. It planned to hold an anti-Ahmadinejad
rally outside the hotel Monday afternoon, joining a list of organizations that
plan to hold similar events – including outside the UN on Wednesday, when
Ahmadinejad speaks.
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Did Paul Invent Christianity?
by smmcroberts ini think the answer is largely yes.
please read my latest blog and see if you agree.. the witnesses had better stock up on goats and stones to make up for lost time!.
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I don't think there's much of a case that Paul invented Jesus or belief in
Jesus. It's established there were some tensions about related policies. Some
of the issues:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Christianity#As_a_pejorative_termThe idea Paul invented Jesus has come up now and then for centuries like JWs
brochures for the non-belief choice. Your mileage may vary, but I recommend "How
on Earth Did Jesus Become a God?" and "Lord Jesus Christ: Devotion to Jesus in
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Did Paul Invent Christianity?
by smmcroberts ini think the answer is largely yes.
please read my latest blog and see if you agree.. the witnesses had better stock up on goats and stones to make up for lost time!.
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No.
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Washington Post Story on Romney and his Morman background.
by Balaamsass inlisa miller belief watch mitt romneys hard-hearted twist on the mormon work ethicview photo gallery mormon in america: the mormon story is a quintessentially american tale, writes on faith columnist lisa miller.
tooltile ad begintooltile ad end /article tool bar by lisa miller, published: september 20 for ap news registry the washington post /for ap news registry /byline sometimes, when mitt romney steps in it, as he did this week , its helpful to look to his religion for clues as to why.
not because romney (or any man) is a perfect reflection of his faith, but because romney is shaped by the teachings of the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints, and that church happens to have a historic horror of dependency on the state.. when romney says, buffoonishly, that 47 percent of americans will vote for barack obama because they are dependent upon government .
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According to today's JW standards, would Jesus be considered an apostate or opposer?
by I_love_Jeff inwhat rules in the elder's manual would jesus be charged with if he were here today?
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Didn't disfellowship angels for celebrating his birth.
Showed too much enthusiasm for public schooling.
Didn't identify himself as archangel Michael even to stop attackers.
Dressed and had his hair cut like a hippy.
Didn't clarify how to calculate from 607 BC to 1914 though only intending to
return invisibly.
Said some eunuchs were born that way and some made that way instead of
teaching that all who weren't made that way chose it wrongly.
Didn't complain that the meat he was served was obsessively drained and
order the chef to bring him something juicier.
Asked followers to consider the lilies of the field without warning them not
to waste time on gardening that could be spent distributing scrolls.
Didn't command followers to drop government jobs, which led to Peter's
delinquency regarding Cornelius.
Didn't command followers to drop holidays, which led to Paul's delinquency at
Rom.14.
Didn't use the name Jehovah, which left followers to refer to themselves
anonymously as "witnesses" for about 1900 years.
Told those who wanted to kill a prostitute to dig themselves, which showed an
improper degree of involvement in civil rights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_p8khzyK-E
Violated shunning rules.
Lived as long on his stake as one would on a cross indicating he wasted far
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Video-Taped Police Beating, Was The Use of Excess Force Justified? What Do You Think?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/22/iraq-veteran-beating-tape_n_620853.html
David London acquitted: police officer caught on tape beating handcuffed vet gets off
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/29/david-london-acquitted-po_n_628741.htmlHouston police fatally shoot wheelchair-bound double amputee threatening people
with a ballpoint pen
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/texas-amputee-shooting/index.html
