Well done, Silentlambs! I hope that everyone who has a website will link yours to it. I'm on the way to do so right now.
Keep up the good work...our hearts are with you.
*hug*
Esmeralda
we have the silentlambs website up and running at www.silentlambs.org.
it will have more to offer as it is developed.
soon to come pinpoint a pedophile......i will let you know how it works when we get it on the site.
Well done, Silentlambs! I hope that everyone who has a website will link yours to it. I'm on the way to do so right now.
Keep up the good work...our hearts are with you.
*hug*
Esmeralda
imho, there is no ad hominem worse, no ad hominem more denigrating, and no ad hominem more evil than the expression "get a life!".
i've used it myself in the past.
it's a quick and down-and-dirty put down.
Hello Great Master Farkel:
This is just my two cents worth (which, with the state of our economy is probably worth about a half a cent, and declining rapidly.)
To me, the phrase "Get a life" is an attack on a persons right to have feelings, and express them. That the person making the remark is so haughty and sure of their position, (usually with nothing to back up that position) that the only way they can make reinforce to themselves just how right they are is to say "that person is so pathetic they must never get out of the house, away from the computer, etc. Obviously if they had a life as important as mine is then they would be as intelligent and informed as I am." The remark is incredibly arrogant.
I don't know if that makes sense, it's past my bedtime ;) "Get a life" seems like a cheap shot: a way to make one person feel superior by accusing another of being inferior. That's pretty sad.
I, like you, know that there were times I've used that phrase in the past. But I'll tell you what, after reading and beginning to apply the Four Agreements in my life, I wouldn't use it now. I look forward to other's remarks.
*hugs*
Essie
when i first posted on this site, there were, i think, around 300 registered users.
now the number of registered users is about to reach 1000 in the very near future.
over on h20 the numbers have decreased, but the community owner, rick, appears to be mesmerised by the idea that it is still much bigger, and biggest is best, as this excerpt from a recent post shows:.
Hi Waiting! Good to see you!
I'm glad to see that the infantile exchanges of "did not, did too!" kind of thing aren't going on here. It just got too hard to weed out the good posts under all that stuff over on the other board!
I'm hanging in there healthwise, taking it a day at a time, thanks for asking! Hope all is well with you and I look forward to seeing more of your posts here. Always enjoyed them in the past!
*hugs*
Essie
why do you bother to post on this site?
what good does it do you?
what do you gain from posting?.
Dear Grunt,
I was really cut to the heart reading this part of your post:
"It has been two years. The act goes on. It wounds afresh her mother who holds no grudges and just wants to know what is happening in the life of her child. My wife who would give anything and shed tears of joy if her daughter would just come and drink a cup or coffee or go shopping, or just really talk and show she still cares about her. My wife who is normal and loving, but who like so many others, has to deal with pain anytime she thinks of her daughter, every day, every night, because of this cult."
I am on the reverse end of that situation, I wish desperately for a mother who could be anything resembling 'normal' in the way that your wife is. Your post is another gut wrenching reminder of exactly why I sought out the online community to discuss the organization, even though it took a year and a half after my disfellowshipping to be ready for it.
Please give your wife a hug and tell her that it is from a motherless daughter, who wishes with all her heart that your daughter will come around and realize the treasure she has in a mother who wants a relationship with her. My mother won't even try. I hope that she doesn't waste too much time before she comes around.
That brings me to your question, Englishman. Why do I post here?
Believe me, I have wanted to walk away. So many times. From re-living on a daily basis the darker times of my life through the letters from and experiences of other people. To completely move on with my life. But as of yet, I just can't.
I was alone too long to ever want anyone else to go through that feeling of isolation. I wanted to reach out in some way, even if only a small one, to others who were going through the same grief over their families and this cult.
That's why I stick around, even if only in the background sometimes. I'm limited now in how much I can participate, but I just want to add my voice to try to comfort other survivors, and warn the unsuspecting about the reality of what it means to be involved with Jehovah's Witnesses.
Great thread, Englishman. I tip my hat to you once again.
*hugs*
Essie
The Four Agreements:
Be Impeccable With Your Word
Don't Take Anything Personally
Don't Make Assumptions
Always Do Your Best
i have been lurking aroung here for quite some time and in enjoy this forum!!.
maybe i might contribute a few post in the near future.. best regards.
gianluca
Hi to Gianluca and ShaunaC and all...I think I had seen you both pop onto H2O before? I hadn't had a chance to say hello.
I'm new to this board too so I decided to take this chance to say hi :)
Esmeralda
dubs like to speculate.
about almost everything: how life will be in the new world ordertm, how and when armageddon is going to happen, whether the latest newspaper headline really signals that armageddon is about to start, what the latest new lighttm is going to be, and on and on.. so heres something to also speculate about.
suppose that jehovah paid a personal visit to the wts leaders and said, .
Hey Dedalus,
Just wanted to say I know I owe you a reply to your post to me from H2O, hope to e mail you this week!
*hugs* to you and your gal :)
Essie
when i first posted on this site, there were, i think, around 300 registered users.
now the number of registered users is about to reach 1000 in the very near future.
over on h20 the numbers have decreased, but the community owner, rick, appears to be mesmerised by the idea that it is still much bigger, and biggest is best, as this excerpt from a recent post shows:.
Listening to Rick's remarks I can't help but think that it's the male preoccupation with size that...Good grief, did I post that out loud? I meant to only think it *lol* No offense meant gentlemen! :)
The atmosphere here is much more welcoming. Rick can bellow all he wants, it's the posters who make the board, not the numbers of useless name calling posts, and that is what H2O degraded into.
I appreciate all they tried to do there, but something just wasn't right. I'm new here, but so far so good. I appreciate your comments, Englishman, as well as those of the rest of the gang :)
Essie
unk says i have to come up here and say hi and get hugged by y'all.
hi.. now, don't crowd around all at once, i'll hafta hurt somebody.
comf
:Essie, did you ever get my email answer to your question?
Good lord, you mean I didn't reply to it? UGH...
It was a lot of help, thank ye kindly Captain!
*hug*
Essie
(who is nervously wondering who else she thought she e mailed...but didn't) *LOL*
after being so close to getting a clue about the "truth",my oldest sister is way back in it, deeper than ever.. i love claire dearly, and i know that in her way, she loves me too.. i believe the problem in our relationship lies in that when it all comes down to it, at the end of the day, we don't really like each other very much anymore.
this knowledge saddens me more than i can explain.. it wasn't always this way.. we did fight a lot as children.
perhaps it's the eight year age difference.
COMF, you amaze me. Your instincts are dead on, and your advice, priceless.
You're right to remind me that I can't change her, just as she can't change me. I know this deep down already, I just didn't articulate it clearly in my post. The sad thing to me is that I can do just as you say, and direct conversations, etc, (that is how we have had any contact at all) and still, I know the time is coming when she too will adopt the attitude of shunning already held by the rest of the family.
She may be moving out of state, and if she does, I know that we will speak rarely, so most of these issues will be moot. But until then, I will read and re-read your remarks, and make sure that I am doing all I can to apply the Four Agreements in connection with them.
Thanks again :)
Love,
Es
Sorry if I'm not making much sense. My attention span for the day is about shot. *lol*
The Four Agreements:
Be Impeccable With Your Word
Don't Take Anything Personally
Don't Make Assumptions
Always Do Your Best
unk says i have to come up here and say hi and get hugged by y'all.
hi.. now, don't crowd around all at once, i'll hafta hurt somebody.
comf
COMF!!!!
*HUG*
So happy to see ya Captain, hope you stick around a bit or at least drop in every now and again :)
*hugs again*
Essie