"As time has gone by, some Christians baptized after 1935 have had witness borne to them that they have the heavenly hope. Thus we cannot set a specific date for when the heavenly hope ends." Watchtower 2007 May 1 p.31
neverendingjourney
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What do you think are the future doctrine changes will be?
by thedepressedsoul inthe whole organization is going through huge and big changes.
it can be seen by names of departments, to how things function and teaches.
my questions to you is, what do you think the future changes will be, both in teaching and organizational matters?.
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What do you think are the future doctrine changes will be?
by thedepressedsoul inthe whole organization is going through huge and big changes.
it can be seen by names of departments, to how things function and teaches.
my questions to you is, what do you think the future changes will be, both in teaching and organizational matters?.
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neverendingjourney
Laika,
They did away with the 1935 date 6 or 7 years ago. It was all over this board. You can probably pull some threads on it using the search feature.
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What do you think are the future doctrine changes will be?
by thedepressedsoul inthe whole organization is going through huge and big changes.
it can be seen by names of departments, to how things function and teaches.
my questions to you is, what do you think the future changes will be, both in teaching and organizational matters?.
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neverendingjourney
I think you're looking at it from the perspective of what conclusions some business consultants would come up with if they were hired to review their operations and make suggestions in order to improve their ability to grow.
At the end of the day, the men sitting on the GB won a decades-long, rigorous competition that rewards the most loyal of company men and status quo seekers. The ability to seek out change is not in their DNA. If it were, they would have been weeded out at the CO or ambitious young Bethelite level.
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Replacing Guy Piercehow big is the pool from which to choose?
by L3G inrespectful_observer's thread on guy pierce's death,.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/277198/1/heard-a-rumor-guy-pierce-died-this-morning#.uyq-pv21x1n.
got me thinking.
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neverendingjourney
Here's a little theory about how the GB selections go down and how that contributes to there being little to no substantive change.
First let's assume GB members are appointed on a 2/3 majority vote basis. Let's also assume that there are important changes that are being held back because a 2/3 majority hasn’t been achieved. That's akin to giving the 1/3 minority a veto. The minority could similarly exercise such a veto if they had reason to suspect a new GB member would not side with them on contentious issues.
So there's gridlock until the 1/3 minority feels sufficiently secure that a potential new GB member will side with them in preserving the status quo. Perhaps little heart-to-heart talks with short-list members every now and then to get their view on things. Therefore, nothing really new is ever introduced.
Hence, slow death by bureaucratic asphyxiation is the likely outcome for the group.
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Scientology is a Lot Like Watchtower in Breaking Up Family
by OnTheWayOut ini saw this on facebook and knew it should be here.
while i am confident that my jw loved ones wouldn't take a look at it, maybe someone here can show it to their jw's and they will see how shunning family is awful when they are looking at a situation exactly like that of watchtower.. a report at http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/scientology-and-watchtower-strange-bedfellows.
mentions this abc good morning america story:.
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neverendingjourney
I've always wondered whether growing up a Scientologist would have been worse than growing up a Witness. I'm fairly certain I would have been better off growing up a Mormon.
Battle of the cults, if you will.
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What happened to the "Witness" part of Jehovah's Witnesses?
by donny ini just got back from my afternoon walk/run and about a block from home i saw two sets of jw's going door to door handing out invites to the memorial.. the first pair walked past me and only said "good afternoon" as they passed.. about two minutes later the second pair approached me and handed me an invite to 2014 memorial on april 14. i asked them why they chose the jw's as their church of choice and was told "we'd like to chat more but we have a set number of invites we have to get out before the memorial.
if you contact the kingdom hall listed here, they will tell you more... on how god's kingdom will rid the world of satan and the evil associated with him.".
i replied "you can't talk now?".
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neverendingjourney
From my last time attending, it seemed that any non-JWs would feel VERY out of place.
This has ALWAYS been the case, at least it has been for me, and my memory goes as far back as the early 80s. It's not tailored for the general public at all. I don't understand how any sane visitor would leave feeling anything but complete confusion over what took place.
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neverendingjourney
The more differences from mainline Christianity, the more things they can point to that separate them from Christendom and "prove" they have the truth.
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Heard a rumor: Guy Pierce died this morning
by respectful_observer indidn't see any other threads, apologies if one already exists.
apparently died of a massive stroke this morning.. r_o.
(completely unconfirmed.
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neverendingjourney
And just to further show how little thought I've given this guy, it just dawned on me that he has the same name as the semi-famous English actor. RIP, I guess.
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Heard a rumor: Guy Pierce died this morning
by respectful_observer indidn't see any other threads, apologies if one already exists.
apparently died of a massive stroke this morning.. r_o.
(completely unconfirmed.
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neverendingjourney
@BluePill2
My brother was a Bethelite. I would nag him for GB stories, but he always seemed defensive about it. In retrospect, I think he was disgusted with it, but wouldn't say so. Or maybe the disgust was on a subconscious level. Thankfully (or not) his Bethel buddies were mostly happy to fill in the details.
For years I wanted nothing more than to meet a GB member. The first one I met was Carey Barber and he seemed like he had just pooped his pants. Sad, really. This would have been around the mid 90s. Still, I was in awe. By the time I was able to attend an international convention some years later, the accumulated doubts in the back of my mind had begun to take a toll. When a GB member would walk to the stage, flashes would go off all over the building. It could just as easily been Bon Jovi.
It was quite a let down. I went from idolizing these guys to feeling disgust over the blatant idolatry.
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Heard a rumor: Guy Pierce died this morning
by respectful_observer indidn't see any other threads, apologies if one already exists.
apparently died of a massive stroke this morning.. r_o.
(completely unconfirmed.
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neverendingjourney
How do I know I've been out of the JW religion for a long time? GB members who I've barely even heard of are now dying.
When I was a teenager, I memorized the page out of the Proclaimers book that had the pictures of the governing body. I memorized their names and soaked up as much information about them as I could. I'd ask Bethelites to share GB stories with me. George Gangas loved to quiz Bethelites on obscure Bible knowledge. Dan Sydlik was beloved by almost all Bethelites. Henschell was a man of few words. And so on.
As far as I was concerned, those men were modern day apostles. More important than that, even, since they would live to see the vindication of Jehovah's name.
On the other hand, if I Guy Pierce had passed me on the street I wouldn't have noticed.