oh my god! im so envy! my girl knows that im doubting. when i come up with the bible she says already that she dont wanny hear it, because she knows thats something somehow negative about the org is at the end. i never discussed a topic to the end with her because after two or three sentences she gets angry and covers her ears saying, that she dont wanna hear it.
its my fault in the first place. before i said anything to her about doubting i was depressed and i havent seen a solution to my misery (doubting but no chance to leave without breaking my whole social surroundings) which resulted in crying myself out after circuit assembly one day (i felt like suicide). i guess that proved to her that i lack godly blessing before i told her my real thoughts calmly in first place, like you did.
good approach. i should have spoken to her earlier when i had my first real doubts... instead of having fear of humans. damn.
Marcel
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So I finally broke the ice with my fiancee....
by R.F. infor those of you that don't know, i've recently had many doubts about the org and realized that i can't just let them go.
the thing was however, that i was nervous as to how my fiancee would react when i would make my doubts known to her.
so.....i finally talked to her today and it went a little something like this.......... i started with us reading together acts.
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Happy New Year! 80 million more "wicked" ones added to the bird food pile.
by Open mind inwhat is the net effect of every year that our loving god jehovah, who is patient and desires "none to be destroyed", holds back the winds of destruction?
it ultimately results in roughly 80 million more humans to be added to the pile of post-armageddon bird food.
i've read this concept several times before on jwd but decided to do a little googling to get the 80 million number.
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its true what you are posting, but thats just jehovah god who has the right to slaughter anyone if he likes it.
remember the flood! a family vs. the whole world population. do you think any single person + kiddies and babies knew exactly what they were doing? for most them noah was just a weired guy (like jw are now). but that didnt stop jehovah from killing.
what about jericho? were the israelites preaching all the ppl to convert them? no. sound the horn, walls falling... MO-MO-MO-MO-MONNNSTERKILL-ILL-ILL...
or if you like the kids lovely bible stories book:
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mystory46TheWallsofJericho***Then Joshua says: ‘Kill everyone in the city and burn it. Burn everything. Save only the silver, gold, copper and iron, and give them to the treasury of Jehovah’s tent.’
like it or hate it: its the god of the bible. its very loving from him to send the JWs out to warn us with very weired human teachings before he lets the fire rain... in comparison to his acting in the hebrew scriptures. only jesus was not this way. what is very alien to me. since he was LIKE god.
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THE NEW SYSTEM WILL BE OVER CROWDED ?
by vitty inim following along a little from the above topic.
i remember in a book study reading that there are more people alive on the earth today than have ever lived in the past.......6 billion.
so is it true that less than 6 billion people have ever lived up to this century?.
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i heard all that fantastic speculations too. but the only one that put me silent was: "jehovah will care, its wrong to imagine it now". maybe this... or everything is a hoax ;)
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Spirits of the Dead - love this brochure
by moomanchu inthis is a fun brochure to read after you have been out for awhile makes you realize how crazy it all was.. i listed some good quotes, there's more.. .
spirits have no tlived and died on earth (cept those bad angels before the flood).
spirits exist!
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hey dave!
thank you for your lines.
your reply dont answers question but shows a open minded view of things. i like that very much.
i guess we have just to live with some things in life. and why should i bother about things i never saw, i never experienced? which are likely twisted and can be misinterpreted by anyone. and the human brain is a complex machinery which can cause many many things we dont understand fully.
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Would You Kill Some One If Your Government Told You To?
by frankiespeakin inhow far do you allow the government tell you what to do?
do you allow governemt to make those dicisions for you?
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triple post... im so sorry...
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Would You Kill Some One If Your Government Told You To?
by frankiespeakin inhow far do you allow the government tell you what to do?
do you allow governemt to make those dicisions for you?
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the real question is: how many JW would follow the WTS if they would say: "lets kill a politician to get the last days rolling! -[insert random relevation verse]"
i BET there would THOUSANDS if the WTS would do it properly. if not millions...
its the question: "What would the society need to do to convince you that she isnt gods organisation?"
false propheties, false teachings and human laws dont do it. what would do it?
a elder in a congregation my mother was in in the 1960s one time ordered the congregation members to bring a bucket and a handmirror to the next gathering. AND MOST OF THEM DID IT! he was disassociated sometime later, but it proves one time more that most JW are brainless zombies. -
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Would You Kill Some One If Your Government Told You To?
by frankiespeakin inhow far do you allow the government tell you what to do?
do you allow governemt to make those dicisions for you?
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double post... sorry...
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Why does the WTS insist everyone sign up for the Ministerial School ?
by RULES & REGULATIONS ini never enjoyed giving # 2 talks.
i never enjoyed being at a podium and speaking.
i took drama in high school just to get over the fear of being in front of people and speaking.
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i always had the feeling if you arent in the school you're almost disassociated. and i looked DOWN on brothers who werent in the school (and werent elders and or elderly).
i always laugh inside when brother "cant-read" tries to do it better the 18652th time. just before sister "cant-speak-and-act" sets foot on stage. lol. being a JW is a great opportunity for COMPLETE FREAKS to speak in front of 70 ppl and hear it clapping right after it (at least on their first appeareance).
omg, i just realized that i looked down on anyone who wasnt in the school AND on anyone who is in the school but just was unable to do it properly. im sorry ;/ -
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Bible infallible?
by Shawn10538 ini am wondering how many of the folks on this site believe that the bible is the infallible word of god.
post your replies if you are.
can i get an amen?
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the bible is infallible! -> how can you know? god inspired it! and he surely cared for his word! -> how do you know god did it? he told us in the bible! -> how do you know that this is true? -> the bible is infallible!
i believe thats a tough question. if you use (wordly) logic its nearly impossible that the bible is infallible (so old, so many humans with the chances to alter it - with intention and not) and you cant have proof for it. to me it sounds on many passages embarassing human. BUT! if you want to believe there is a way to proof thats infallible! simple: if its his word god cared for it! WOULD YOU DARE TO BELIEVE THAT GOD WHO CREATED THE UNIVERSE IS INCAPABLE TO CARE FOR HIS BOOK?! WOULD YA?! *guilt* even if all humans who wrote and translated the bible were fallible he would guide them invisibly that all needed information will survive. and passages which sound human are just like that: written by humans with a small viewpoint. but of course the important information is in there nevertheless.
thats the way i saw it as a good JW. and thats how the WT tells us.
its circular logic again, but who cares. believing is not about calculating. believing is to see things that arent there. simple stuff. (thats why the apostles and early christians didnt believe. they KNEW... in my opinion...) -
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Spirits of the Dead - love this brochure
by moomanchu inthis is a fun brochure to read after you have been out for awhile makes you realize how crazy it all was.. i listed some good quotes, there's more.. .
spirits have no tlived and died on earth (cept those bad angels before the flood).
spirits exist!
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Not all things are either lies or truth. If you believe you have evidence for something and state it as truth, that doesn't make it truth. But it doesn't make you a liar, either. People aren't difficult to trick. Magicians make their living doing it. And they can even trick themselves. Anyone can see a ghost if they are willing to believe that any vague thing might have been one. But consider this: If CNN or any other mainstream news outlet could show actual evidence of a person having been harmed by an evil spirit, don't you think they'd jump on it? It would be the story of the century. But you never hear about it. Because any story someone tells about harm caused by evil spirits also has a rational, non-evil-spirit explanation. No, the people telling you about their evil spirit experiences aren't lying. They are interpreting events they witnessed. If you had the same experience, you might interpret it differently. As would I. Dave
i basically think about it like you do. but ive that remaining little doubt. and recently a somehow trusty person told me again of an evil spirit which haunted his parents house when they werent JW. i just wonder how four people can misinterpret regulary opened doors when they come home everytime, pushes from nowhere and steps in behind doors and when you open the door noones there.
i just cant explain that with my logic. the only explanation i can think of that this person lies to me. especially the opened doors in the whole house - what can you misinterpret there? whats a possible rational explanation? its the second time i hear from trusty people a demon-story about opened doors. both with many witnesses to see it. one time as said four familymembers and one time three elders and a woman.
lies?!
it makes me sick.