Posts by Marcel

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WOW! JW SLAMMED BIGGIE at Newspaper

by DannyHaszard in

wow this is more severe than even i would post what goes around comes around...you can't assault millions of victims without repercussions http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ie=utf-8&q=jehovah+witness on the news wire the people speak: religious group changes bible text.

muskogee daily phoenix, ok - 14 minutes ago.

jehovahs witnesses go to meetings twice a week to train and learn how to manipulate people into questioning their belief and doubting their faith.

Marcel

It's madness.

madness?

THIS IS THE WTS!

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WOW! JW SLAMMED BIGGIE at Newspaper

by DannyHaszard in

wow this is more severe than even i would post what goes around comes around...you can't assault millions of victims without repercussions http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ie=utf-8&q=jehovah+witness on the news wire the people speak: religious group changes bible text.

muskogee daily phoenix, ok - 14 minutes ago.

jehovahs witnesses go to meetings twice a week to train and learn how to manipulate people into questioning their belief and doubting their faith.

Marcel

@Finally-Free

Three times a week is more accurate.

Four or Five times is more accurate ;)

Also inaccurate. I spent about 70% of my service™ time working alone. Was I the demon or trainee? Or maybe both? Unless a person is a new publisher™, there is no "trainee". JWs work in pairs because they hate the "preaching work", and the peer pressure keeps them doing it.

i think you misunderstood the text. the demon isnt another JW but an fallen angel guiding him. Just as much as JWs believe angels are following them in service and guiding them.

i do agree with you that most JWs wouldnt read the article further than one or two sentences. its way too heavy and not properly researched. and its to critical. JWs dont like critics from the outside. they need to find critics in their own mind

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Doubting JWs ever approached you?

by greendawn in

while you still were jws did any doubting jw ever try to talk to you about the flaws of the org and instil in you some doubt?

someone had told me that he didn't believe the gb members were straight and honest people that many of their ideas were wrong and that they had a secret agenda to pursue beyond the one they publicly proclaimed.

at the time i thought he may be right since they seemed to control everything and didn't allow anyone to contribute even the (so called) anointed.

Marcel

i would never talk to an other JW about my doubts. doing so is giving him/her the power. youve to trust him/her completely, because he/she can put you under pressure with that info.

in (almost) all my life in JW talk when it comes to a topic which *could* lead to a critical view everyone senses it and start changing the topic the fastest way they can.

im and was one of the JWs who believe in the "if its not the truth its a decent way to live"-thing. i would NOT say its a bad way. i believe there are some JWs who are pretty happy and live in the belief they are doing the right. the first time i believed this way was when i was a little boy and a sister of my congregation said in the biblestudy the very same sentence. "if its not the truth..."

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Armagadon Drawing from Watch Tower

by kwr in

does anyone know where i can get the drawing of armagadon with the children fleeing and the xxx theater and city burning at?

.

Marcel

Manjana, this awake magazine wasnt real. there is no awake with that cover. its a joke.

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Another Elder Suicide?

by still_in74 in

well it looks like a southern ontario elder just took his own life.

i cant go into details as we live in a very small world in "the truth" and even the smallest amount of detail on this one could quickly connect this to me, so for now its on the d-low.. it is a relative of a very close friend and he is godsmacked by it.

he said to me, " we sure seem to be seeing more of this lately arent we?

Marcel

last summer convention '06 i felt the first time in my life like commiting suicide for real. not only think about it. i felt like going literally crazy. three days programming but knowing it, three days crying through the night. crazy shit. i recovered fortunately and can see things much clearer now.

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BEST Watchtower analogy I have ever seen!

by RedPill2006 in

you can see it on a picture on the may 1, 2007, pages 24-29)(youths goals honor god) watchtower on page 26!.

watch carefully what the girl is doing and what she is drinking....... this has symbol character.

if this isn't on purpose, than it is the best analogy to what the wt means to your life..... redpill.. could someone please scan that picture and post it here????

Marcel

wow, red-pill...

thats really astonishing! im not from the states and i wasnt aware of a drink called kool-aid and the proverbs around it... but thats truly the best anlogy ive ever seen in a WT picture...

its so accurate... it could be on purpose...

theres a black sheep in the image department?

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How do Jews view 607 /587 debate?

by AgentSmith in

the jw's use the prohecy of daniel etc to get to 607 as the date jerusalem fell.

i know the jews accept 587 as the correct date.

so how do they view the calculation of the prophecy, of 'ol king neb and babylon etc?.

Marcel

i would like to know that too.
btw, i think the main problem in that debate isnt that 607 is wrong.
the problem is that there are dozens of possible dates if you take the bible alone. you cant know what is right. plus the date which is used to calculate back can be wrong too. for the same reasons why the 587 date is wrong in JW believe.

lets face the facts:

all the worldy science points to 587... (lets say they are all wrong, knowledge of men is nothing, yada, yada)
the bible can suggest many dates (but the 607 one is so much more logical, yada, yada, yada)
the bible doesnt contain dates, so the worldy 537 date as the date when the jews went back can be false too (but its scientific prooooofed, yada, yada)
the bible doesnt encourage anyone to calculate such dates, instead it discourages! Matthew 24:23, 36 (its not meant this way, yada, yada)
are the calculations which lead to 1914ideas of MEN or GOD? decide yourself. (god, because the WTS is the FADS, yada, yada)
is it smart to build up a beliefsystem on such a weak basis? regardless of if it is right or wrong in the end.

at this point you can start argueing about what it means to have an organizations which claims to be gods channel and chosen by jesus (which is based on the 587/607 problem again) and because of that teaches the truth but in the same time cant be judged by wrong things they teach and want other to believe unquestioned because they are imperfect.

marcel

(Matthew 24:36) 36 "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.. . . (Matthew 24:23) 23 "Then if anyone says to YOU, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it.. . .

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Something I noticed in the famous "1975" Watchtower article...

by B_Deserter in

i decided to read for myself the articles my father and mother were reading during this interesting time in witness history.

i stumbled upon the following paragraph that scared the bejeezus out of me: .

"one thing is absolutely certain, bible chronology reinforced with fulfilled bible prophecy shows that six thousand years of mans existence will soon be up, yes, within this generation!

Marcel

(John 8:44) 44 YOU are from YOUR father the Devil, and YOU wish to do the desires of YOUR father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of [the lie].

its incredible how this and other scriptures fit to the jws... who doesnt respect life and indirectly slays men with a completely misinterpreted and blasphemic blood policy? Who do not speak truth in any time? Who lies over and over again? Who speaks for his own disposition? its so easy to spot...

(Matthew 24:23-28) 23 "Then if anyone says to YOU, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. 25 Look! I have forewarned YOU. 26 Therefore, if people say to YOU, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner chambers,’ do not believe it. 27 For just as the lightning comes out of eastern parts and shines over to western parts, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 28 Wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

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Baptism at age 11 next Saturday

by Fatfreek in

i just learned that one of my grandsons (whom i've never met) will be baptized on saturday.

he will be twelve in november.

what's happening within the publishing company to inspire this sort of thing?

Marcel

There is no way under the sun that a 9 year old knows what it means to dedicate their life to anything. They are going to make the same mistakes that everyone else does while growing up and going through all the changes that being a teenager involves. And this 9 year old did just that. But the Witnesses magnify their youthful indiscretions and make private matters public.
If I had to choose an age, I would say follow Jesus' example and wait until you're 30. God didn't mind him waiting until then and he was perfect. I was still not ready to make that decision in my early twenties, in my opinion.

so true, my friend. my parents did not protect me from that abuse also. i was baptized with 14. still waaaay too young. even TODAY i would be too young! 30 is just perfect.

the main problem is that children are baptized in a religion in a beliefsystem that they CAN NOT examine. no alternate information and no chance to aquire info at that age.

the only chance for the WTS to survive is to lock up the kids before they can access the internet with a open mind.

wasnt that the one true religion because they dont do pagan practices like baby baptism? HA HA HA!

ps.: that isnt funny...

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Last Night an Elder called me,,,,but

by orangefatcat in

i didn't answer the telephone, i just didn ' t feel like getting all riled up as i have enough on my plate right now.. it was the same elder who showed up at my bedside while i was recently in the hospital.

i told the hospitals administration years ago to take my off the jw list for visitations.

so i was quite shocked to see this guy.

Marcel

penny, you're so right!
i hate that telephone-rings-so-stop-whatever-youre-doing-and-pick-up-that-damn-phone-fast-faster-hurry!!!-attitude too.