Posts by Marcel

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August 15th Watchtower 2007: 1935 A GENTLE REMINDER

by AlphaOmega in

lest you forget.... .

this provides another chance to highlight the change.. .

Marcel

the unforgivable sind makes sense for me now.
its not meant to be a never ever unforgivable sin even if you crawl in your own slobber begging for forgiveness.
its only unforgivable as long as you dont repent. its just so easy. willfully unrepentant sins are the unforgivable sin, humans can turn this into a forgivable sin as long as they want.

thats the only view that makes sense.

sorry for being too slow to understand that lol :) in my JW life i always wondered about that.

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August 15th Watchtower 2007: 1935 A GENTLE REMINDER

by AlphaOmega in

lest you forget.... .

this provides another chance to highlight the change.. .

Marcel

excellent thread.
in my surroundings almost NOONE noticed the change. for the most of them the teaching didnt change - it was always this way. if it all its only better explained now. LOL :-D

are apostates the only ones who actually CARE for the teachings?

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If you think you've seen a ghost.....................

by Warlock in

since i'm taking a beating somewhere else, i might as well take one here.. if you google "ghosts" you will get over 25 million results.

actually 25,200,000. now i know some are repeats or whatever.. in checking just a few sites, some sell books, some have only experiences, some have both.

one site i went to about 6 months ago had over 500 experiences.

Marcel

i need to stress my question again... its a big topic for me, sorry :/

"what does it mean, that studying with JWs and stuff can ghosts scare away? is it god/angels who protect the jws?"

the story of freedom frog makes me wonder...
do you think that this could happen in a kingdom hall also? did anything supernatural happen in a kingdom hall at all? what does it mean if not?

if ghosts are spirits of dead humans i believe the kingdom halls where all haunted :) too many lifes thrown away in that halls lol.

if they are fallen angels aka demons... why would they stay away from it? gods protection?

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What Maintains the Universe?

by metatron in

does it ever seem weird that evolutionists and creationists endlessly debate about events vastly distant in the past - without discussing what.

maintains the universe now?

clearly, electrons and protons have a certain mass, light has a particular speed and so on - why should any of.

Marcel

very good questions.
but theres one problem about it.

for me it implies a lil' bit that there NEED to be an intelligence controlling it. does it? thats the question i think.

does it require an intelligence to maintain the universe?

if not you have to accept that some weired force is just "there". like the laws of physics.
if yes you have to accept that there is some weired entity which is intelligent and is just "there".

:-D

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Wedding Anniversaries vs. Birthdays

by PopeOfEruke in

jw's often have big parties or "gatherings" to celebrate wedding anniversaries, esp.

for the big milestones (20th, 50th anniversary etc).. the process of these parties almost exactly mimic a typical birthday celebration: the couple of honour sit up the front, various people give speeches, show "honour" to the happy couple, there is a meal and drinks, usually an anniversary cake.. exactly the same as a birthday party.. so why is it ok to celebrate an anniversary of a wedding but not the annoversary of a birth??

when it's usually the "wedding" which sooner or later results in a birth??

Marcel

its just the same and both anniversarys have pagan origins. while birthdays are wrong even without idolatry and pagan practices seem wedding anniversarys be ok even WITH idolatry and pagan practices.

its just not right, but its hard to step off of it because everyone would laugh about it.
the same with the blood doctrine (but worse).

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If you think you've seen a ghost.....................

by Warlock in

since i'm taking a beating somewhere else, i might as well take one here.. if you google "ghosts" you will get over 25 million results.

actually 25,200,000. now i know some are repeats or whatever.. in checking just a few sites, some sell books, some have only experiences, some have both.

one site i went to about 6 months ago had over 500 experiences.

Marcel

honestly, this stuff makes me going back to the JWs...

me, myself and i never experienced something that couldnt be explained. okay, there were some stuff when i was a child, but i believe i just dont remember very well.

these are the possibilities:

- ghosts experiences are for real (goto 1.)
- ghosts experiences aren not for real (goto 2.)

1.)
- the bible is right about ghosts and they are demons and god exists (goto 3.)
- the bible is not right and 'ghosts' may be something else (goto 4.)

2.)
- ghosts dont exist (end of story)
- ghosts do exist even though they dont show themselves (goto 1.)

3.)
- the JWs have the right religion (end of story)
- the JWs dont have the right religion (end of story)

4.)
- ghosts are dead humans (end of story)
- ghosts are extraterrestrials, shadows from other dimensions, visitors from the future, whatever... (end of story)

what does it mean, that studying with JWs and stuff can ghosts scare away? is it god/angels who protect the jws? or are the ghosts happy that the JW is in a demonic religion now and let the JWs look like an "angel of light"?

why did the science never encountered proof for supernatural things but the world is full of unprovable hints they exist?

what is this stuff?

if i ever encounter something cleary supernatural i likely will go back to the JWs. i dont know whether it is the right decision, but its the only thing i could imagine to do in that case.

you know what's funny? in EVERY jw forum i asked a question about demons/ghosts a HUGE crowd responded with a big believe in demons because many many ppl experienced it first hand and SWEAR that demons are for real. but many of them still think the JWs are wrong. why is that?

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WOW! JW SLAMMED BIGGIE at Newspaper

by DannyHaszard in

wow this is more severe than even i would post what goes around comes around...you can't assault millions of victims without repercussions http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ie=utf-8&q=jehovah+witness on the news wire the people speak: religious group changes bible text.

muskogee daily phoenix, ok - 14 minutes ago.

jehovahs witnesses go to meetings twice a week to train and learn how to manipulate people into questioning their belief and doubting their faith.

Marcel

It's madness.

madness?

THIS IS THE WTS!

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WOW! JW SLAMMED BIGGIE at Newspaper

by DannyHaszard in

wow this is more severe than even i would post what goes around comes around...you can't assault millions of victims without repercussions http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ie=utf-8&q=jehovah+witness on the news wire the people speak: religious group changes bible text.

muskogee daily phoenix, ok - 14 minutes ago.

jehovahs witnesses go to meetings twice a week to train and learn how to manipulate people into questioning their belief and doubting their faith.

Marcel

@Finally-Free

Three times a week is more accurate.

Four or Five times is more accurate ;)

Also inaccurate. I spent about 70% of my service™ time working alone. Was I the demon or trainee? Or maybe both? Unless a person is a new publisher™, there is no "trainee". JWs work in pairs because they hate the "preaching work", and the peer pressure keeps them doing it.

i think you misunderstood the text. the demon isnt another JW but an fallen angel guiding him. Just as much as JWs believe angels are following them in service and guiding them.

i do agree with you that most JWs wouldnt read the article further than one or two sentences. its way too heavy and not properly researched. and its to critical. JWs dont like critics from the outside. they need to find critics in their own mind

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Doubting JWs ever approached you?

by greendawn in

while you still were jws did any doubting jw ever try to talk to you about the flaws of the org and instil in you some doubt?

someone had told me that he didn't believe the gb members were straight and honest people that many of their ideas were wrong and that they had a secret agenda to pursue beyond the one they publicly proclaimed.

at the time i thought he may be right since they seemed to control everything and didn't allow anyone to contribute even the (so called) anointed.

Marcel

i would never talk to an other JW about my doubts. doing so is giving him/her the power. youve to trust him/her completely, because he/she can put you under pressure with that info.

in (almost) all my life in JW talk when it comes to a topic which *could* lead to a critical view everyone senses it and start changing the topic the fastest way they can.

im and was one of the JWs who believe in the "if its not the truth its a decent way to live"-thing. i would NOT say its a bad way. i believe there are some JWs who are pretty happy and live in the belief they are doing the right. the first time i believed this way was when i was a little boy and a sister of my congregation said in the biblestudy the very same sentence. "if its not the truth..."

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Armagadon Drawing from Watch Tower

by kwr in

does anyone know where i can get the drawing of armagadon with the children fleeing and the xxx theater and city burning at?

.

Marcel

Manjana, this awake magazine wasnt real. there is no awake with that cover. its a joke.