No effect at all; 607 + the UN NGO affiliation were it for me. I did read it much later and it certainly clarified alot for me but no influence on the actual decision to leave.
Georgiegirl
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Contribution of Franz books on your decision to leave?
by Damocles inthe recent resurrected topic on franz' books got me curious.. how much did his writing contribute to your decision to leave?.
for myself, it was another brick in the wall but not more important than any other.
i was a little different than most in that i regularly read anti-witness stuff from the very beginning and never stopped.
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Baby??? honeymoon??? a certain time to have them??
by angel eyes inhas anyone ever heard anything wrong with having a honeymoon baby??.
just wanted to ask as i was told by an elder two weeks before i married "dont you dare have a honeymoon baby"......
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Georgiegirl
Thank you for replying. Alot of your posts make alot more sense now.
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Non-Bible Believers: What verses still have value to you?
by Open mind inok, if a bible believer wants to join in too, please refrain from citing john 3:16 or verse like it that clearly call for a christian perspective to be appreciated.. .
i'm looking for kernels of wisdom that transcend religions and the necessity of faith.. .
to get things started:.
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Georgiegirl
Ok, I lied. The tone of your post pissed me off so much I went and found it tonight. This is from research that I did for a class on religions at college. These are all books you can get find and read; I have access to alot of material through my university's online research library.
World Scripture: A Comparative Anthology of Sacred Texts by International Religious Foundation (Author, Editor), Andrew Wilson
(This is one I quote from in my paper and that I have).
Others that I quoted but do not own:
Other One Heart: Universal Wisdom from the World's Scriptures by Bonnie Louise Kuchler
Jesus, Krishna, Buddha and Lao Tzu: The Parallel Sayings (The Common Teachings of Four World Religions) by Richard Hooper
Jesus and Buddha: The Parallel Sayings by Marcus Borg (Editor), Jack Kornfield
God's Breath: Sacred Scriptures of the World -- The Essential Texts of Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Suf (Paperback)
by John Miller (Author), Aaron Kenedi (Author), Thomas MooreI even looked them up for you; you can find them all on Amazon.
Hope this helps in your search; you'll find I rarely just throw stuff out there. AND if I don't know the background, I'll state that as I did in the thread you clearly did not thoroughly read before impugning me.
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Non-Bible Believers: What verses still have value to you?
by Open mind inok, if a bible believer wants to join in too, please refrain from citing john 3:16 or verse like it that clearly call for a christian perspective to be appreciated.. .
i'm looking for kernels of wisdom that transcend religions and the necessity of faith.. .
to get things started:.
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Georgiegirl
Hey Blue Grass - (editing this post after I re-read your question and then calmed down a bit)
See my post below for books for you to examine for yourself.
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Baby??? honeymoon??? a certain time to have them??
by angel eyes inhas anyone ever heard anything wrong with having a honeymoon baby??.
just wanted to ask as i was told by an elder two weeks before i married "dont you dare have a honeymoon baby"......
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Georgiegirl
:) That's exactly it, butterfly. So it ends up being everyone at cross purposes because we are talking about different things but using the same terminology. So, I am waiting to have A/E clarify b/c she keeps telling stories about elders/brothers (and excusing them) b/c they aren't the Organization which she says she would "never" go against. So, who or what specifically is she referring to? In her post above, she seems to imply that when she says "org" she is specifically referring to the GB, but I'm not sure.
(Sorry to be talking about you as if you aren't here, A/E, but that's what you get for going to eat dinner! ;) )
So...again....
A/E: The Governing Body is Jehovah's organization.
Is that your belief?
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Non-Bible Believers: What verses still have value to you?
by Open mind inok, if a bible believer wants to join in too, please refrain from citing john 3:16 or verse like it that clearly call for a christian perspective to be appreciated.. .
i'm looking for kernels of wisdom that transcend religions and the necessity of faith.. .
to get things started:.
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Georgiegirl
OM: hmmm...well - interestingly enough, the Eygptian prayer to 42 Gods is quite reflective of the Ten Commandments...I'm not sure of the timing, but how interesting that Moses, supposedly raised in Pharoah's household, came up with something so...eerily close.
http://www.macroknow.com/books/philosophy/religion.htm
ANCIENT EGYPTIAN THE JUDGMENT OF THE DEAD
THE DECLARATION TO THE FORTY-TWO GODS" O Wide-of-stride who comes from On: I have not done evil.
. . . I have not robbed.
. . . I have not coveted.
. . . I have not stolen.
. . . I have not killed people.
. . . I have not trimmed the measure.
. . . I have not cheated.
. . . I have not told lies.. .
. . . I have not committed adultery.
. . . I have not copulated with a boy.. .
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Posted on Freeminds - your help pls
by besty in"my wife just left me yesterday and took my 2 girls.
she's hold up in the presiding overseers (big beautiful) custom built french country house.
i know my 14 yr is probably freeking out and my sweet little 9 year old, i know, loves her daddy.
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Georgiegirl
Um, and yeah - his wife just left and took the kids but he takes the time to point out the country house is big, beautiful and custom-built? Interesting choice of priority.
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Posted on Freeminds - your help pls
by besty in"my wife just left me yesterday and took my 2 girls.
she's hold up in the presiding overseers (big beautiful) custom built french country house.
i know my 14 yr is probably freeking out and my sweet little 9 year old, i know, loves her daddy.
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Georgiegirl
Yep - agree there is always more than one side to the story... Sounds like what my ex did when I left. He even called Bethel to speak to the GB!!! Funny how he (my ex, not the OP) never mentioned the abuse, screaming profanities, gambling, porn addiction, etc etc that I had endured for years. I, too, was sheltered by an elder and his family, and I am forever grateful to them.
It's very possible the guy is a complete innocent but these are MY red flags: notice how many "I's" there - very self-concerned - no introspection into what would have driven a JW woman to leave her marriage (in and of itself a trauma, but doing it within the JWs=crazy scary), the invocation of the fact that "his prayers are being answered" - my ex could have written this SAME email - all about how this trauma was bringing him closer to God, etc, and lastly - he wants "to reclaim" his wife??? Because she is his possession? Because it is his right? Wow...talk about tenderly cherishing the wife of your youth (NOT).
*blinks at screen* Wow. Apparently THAT was a little triggering. Sorry. :) But you did say you wanted some thoughts...
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Baby??? honeymoon??? a certain time to have them??
by angel eyes inhas anyone ever heard anything wrong with having a honeymoon baby??.
just wanted to ask as i was told by an elder two weeks before i married "dont you dare have a honeymoon baby"......
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Georgiegirl
Yes, I used to call it the society too. I believe that changed about 10-15 years ago; I honestly can't remember why. Maybe some of our researchers can dig it up but I remember it was a clear direction change in how we referred to the organization.
I do agree - I think that no one is perfect..after all, Judas was part of the original 12, right? Nevertheless, I'm not sure you answered my question:
The Governing Body = Jehovah's organization.
A simple Yes or No would be great. Then I know exactly what you are referring too from now on.
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Baby??? honeymoon??? a certain time to have them??
by angel eyes inhas anyone ever heard anything wrong with having a honeymoon baby??.
just wanted to ask as i was told by an elder two weeks before i married "dont you dare have a honeymoon baby"......
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Georgiegirl
oh - and to answer your question. From the dictionary, an apologist is:
Noun 1. apologist - a person who argues to defend or justify some policy or institution; "an apologist for capital punishment" So a JW apologist argues to defend or justify JWs and their policies.