as it was considered back in 1995 that due to not holding to the society's view of the literal generation of 1914,i had disasociated myself,now all jehovah,s witnesses dont believe this anymore,are they all appostate for rejecting this important truth,that i had apparently sinned so much in rejecting?????????
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Cautious, you said
But it seems to me that people are dfed from the WTS for not believing them, and it doesn't appear to matter what the doctrine is, you just have to agree with them. So, as the WTS change their minds, you must faithfully follow them in their new thoughts and agree to that too
That is exactly the way it is. To be a JW, you must accept the society is god's channel, and you must say "Yes" and "Amen" to every idiotic utterance
esther
a mexican wave.. cheerleaders.. a streaker.. ice cream / hot dog vendors.. people standing up with their fist raised high saying "yes!".
extra time.. presentation of awards.. autographs.. booing.. the audience waving their lighters as night falls.. there must be more!.
englishman.. ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
The final prayer? I used to wonder if it was really a shortened Public Talk. (Sometimes not much shortened, either)
Enlightened, you asked
are they clapping as a symbol of saying "Thank God thats over and done with for another year!!"I clapped for that one.
esther
in the crowded corridors at the district convention, there was a purse snatcher.
i was in the right place at the right time to catch it all.. this guy grabbed this sister's purse and made off with it.
she screamed and several brothers were in purseuit.
ROFLOL what a great story.
Trouble is, it is so true that those contribution boxes are everywhere.
Mommy, I never had the courage, but I often wanted to say no to sending money to the organisation. I thought that since we were trying to raise money for a new KH we needed to keep the money for the congregation to use/
Rcat
Every week they were browbeating us during the service meeting, to give, give, giveYes, it made me unwilling to contribute. I seem to remember that C Russell said something about knowing it was time to stop when the voluntary contributions stopped coming in.
esther
oh my god!!!!.
my wife just took me to a site about jw women being molested and abused and not only wasn't anyone prosecuted, those bastards were allowed to continue raping these innocent children under the protection of the gb.
i was not raised a jw so when i hear something like this it ignites in me an anger that you can not begin to imagine.
JanH, you said
The "one out of four" claim is totally bogus
Is that you own personal opinion, or did you get that information from somewhere? If it is information, where did you get it?
You also said
By the definition some feminists use on "sexually abused" (any undesired sexual contact)
I have only heard undesired sexual contact defined as sexual harassment, as BEW says.
Since much pedophilia is hidden or covered over, where did you get the figures "between 1% and 5% of women"? Not all cases of sexual abuse are reported, because the victims quite often do not want to relive the nightmare, or face the additonal abuse directed at them from the perpetrator's counsel if it goes to court.
esther
a mexican wave.. cheerleaders.. a streaker.. ice cream / hot dog vendors.. people standing up with their fist raised high saying "yes!".
extra time.. presentation of awards.. autographs.. booing.. the audience waving their lighters as night falls.. there must be more!.
englishman.. ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
Englishman
We used to have ice cream vans at out Assemblies. They always had long queues.
We never had standing ovations
esther
hi folks.
i have notice that many here are always complaining about those wonderful assemblies that we used to attend?
why is everyone so ungrateful?.
I believe you, Gianluca
You are free to think that i've exaggerated. That particilar DO's prayers (strangely only if it was the convention's concluding prayer, otherwise it was always a quickie..) usually lasts on average around 10 min!
At one of our conventions we had a little boy get so fed-up at the length of the closing prayer he just said "Amen" then started to talk to his mother. I didn't blame him!
esther
i'm a "long time listener", "first time caller".
i've been eavesdropping on this site for a couple of months now, trying to detach from my beliefs engrained in me for forty years (since birth).
i've finally got the time and the ambition to share my story with you all, since you've so gratiously shared your story with me (electronically).. i'm a 4th generation jw, or perhaps i should say "i was a ..." (old habits die hard).
Welcome WhatNow. You certainly have had a rough time of it. You said
This practice CANNOT be approved by God! Is this how Jesus would act?
The answer is, of course,"No". In fact, the Watchtower of 1992 said
After a fornicator was disfellowshipped from the congregation in ancient Corinth, Paul wrote: "This rebuke given by the majority is sufficient for such a man, so that, on the contrary now, you should kindly forgive and comfort him, that somehow such a man may not be swallowed up by his being overly sad. Therefore I exhort you to confirm your love for him."-2 Corinthians 2:6-8;
So even by the borg's own literature, they should not have left you overcome with grief.
We, on this board, understand how devastating it is when we first find the truth about the 'truth'. So here you will get encouragement and friendship. So once again, welcome
esther
my flyers merely said: if as a jehovahs witness, a member of your family has been molested information is available for further information see: www.silentlambs.org or call 1-877-wtabuse.. nothing overtly inflammatory, actually more like a public service announcement.. i guess thats what most of the local organizers and friends thought in my neck of the, woods for the first two days of the district convention!
but once the 'friends' realized that the website i was promoting with my flyers and moving car billboard was not an approved wt site, the powers that be got ... well ... pissed is the word!.
nobody bothered me on friday as i went smiling about my posting flyers on the light and utility poles on the routes to/from the convention site.
JanG, Sorry, I don't remember the year, but it must have been about 20 years ago. It wasn't in Brisbane, though.
Outnfree, I bet you are happy with your results.
esther
i am floundering!.
today my jw son told me that he had seen an email in our family account written to me from an exjw.
it contained very little, but enough to let him know that i was in contact with outsiders about my doubts and feelings.
LMR you said
The trouble is that when I am face to face with elders, persons I know well, it is very difficult for me to maintain any kind of pretense
If you approach them yourself of your 'own free will', maybe you could use a doubt such as the blood issue, like not understanding how some fractions can be ok, but not others. You should not have any problems in getting enough confusing answers for you to have to think about it for a long time. That should make it easier to avoid anything more damaging. The elders are probably just as confused about this as everyone else. Wishing you happiness
esther
hi folks.
i have notice that many here are always complaining about those wonderful assemblies that we used to attend?
why is everyone so ungrateful?.
Venice, I didn't see you there. lol. I know the convention went over, but to be honest, I didn't hear Bro Henshal's talk. I 'switched off' two minutes into the talk. The highlights of the convention were meeting other sisters in the queues for the toilets. We met many new people and had some lovely chats, much quicker way of passing the time. The only valid reason for attending the DC was to meet up with old friends.
esther
