Posts by SnakesInTheTower

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 6-24-07 WT Study (Youths Goals Honor God)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 06-24-07 wt study (may 1, 2007, pages 24-29)(youths goals honor god)(notepad).

review comments will be in red.

wt material from today's wt will be in black.

SnakesInTheTower

im glad i got to read your review today. usually i just go to the public talk about once a month to get my mags and km and turn in my phantom report and skip the Craptower. But today the speaker does not show up so they reversed meetings. (If i had been thinking I would have walked across the lobby and went to the other congo talk). So i got to hear all the ridiculous comments about the ~~young ones~~ kids. The only thing making the craptower lesson bearable was a) blondies comments and b) the regular conductor was there and he tries to make it tolerable, but how can you make a silk purse out of a sows ear?

I skipped out at about during the review questions. Never did get my mags...the mag servant and his assistant were not there...now I gotta go again to get those...

...i try to get home early so i can relax, come here for a few minutes, then go to work....

SnakesInTheTower (of the "cant stand the Craptower" Sheep Class)

11

..Another Puzzle..

by OUTLAW in

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friends

..another puzzle..brainiac x-dubs..or pro dubs..i don`t really care which..who ultimutely owns,the watchtower bible and tract society??

?...outlaw

SnakesInTheTower

thanks eclipse...just too much time on my hands, thats all

SnakesInTheTower (of the Twisted Sheep Class)

11

..Another Puzzle..

by OUTLAW in

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friends

..another puzzle..brainiac x-dubs..or pro dubs..i don`t really care which..who ultimutely owns,the watchtower bible and tract society??

?...outlaw

SnakesInTheTower

My theory in pictures...(this wont be as much fun if the picture links go away)

Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is owned by ...

...a shiek in Dubai, United Arab Emirates . He bought it from Judge Rutherford on one of his early preaching tours when Dubai was nothing but a fishing village. Rutherford made a deal to pay off some old gambling debts which he was never D/F for.

The shieks really dont want the WTBT$, but if they can control 6 million people so simply, why the hell not, and the money from the publishing ~~company~~ front is pretty good too. The secret Dubai office of the WTBT$ is on one those new floating palm islands. where Ted and the boys enjoy Wednesday GB meetings along with a good massage at the world-class spas. ....

WTBT$ is really just one of many enterprises the shieks in Dubai own in the ultimate goal of controlling the world when the oil runs out.

The shieks also own Wal-Mart . Why? To get Americans used to cheap imports, thus assuring that they are enslaved to Dubai and its partners in China . Do you see the pattern....control...its about control

They own Microsoft, because Bill Gates lost his ass in a high stakes poker game at one of the casinos in Dubai . Bill now serves as a front man and has some shares, but mostly it is all in the private hands of the shieks. The stocks are just a show for the US business market.

Since Windows is in the majority of the computers in the world, it would be easy to insert code for the shieks to control the world....bwahahahahaha... now you see the pattern...its all about control..... bwhahahahaaha

and the great thing... all of the JW publishers will soon be nothing more than greeters at their local walmart (or the kingdom halls which are converted to WalMart Convenience stores in November 2014, shortly after the last prophecy fails to come true.) The first book they will be required to read will be:

what....oh, no, wait, its just a joke, i did not mean to ....whats a sheik doing here....no, leave Snake alone, no.....not walmart, no.....i dont wanna go back to the Kingdom Hall.....ahhhh

SnakesInThe~~Tower~~PalmIsland (of the "way too much time on google images" Sheep Class)

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BETHELITES - Whatever Became of?

by Black Man in

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i often times wonder what happened to certain bethelites that i ran around with during my 1990s tenure there.

while there are still a few left there, the greater majority of them aren't there for various reasons (marriage, disillusionment, left the borg, etc).

a couple of cats i wonder about - there was one brother who i believe was from kansas, who got his fingers cut off in a printing press.

SnakesInTheTower

Paint and Scaffold crew 87 to 88

Jeff.....

i was a temp at brooklyn during that time frame...worked paint and scaffold crew for the 3 weeks I was there one hot summer...i was there for the early stages of renovating Furman first was what eventually became laundry (floor 7 or 8?) at Furman....I started when it was nothing but bare walls and needed the old paint blasted off with hot water. I got stuck with the job briefly. I could not hold the 15 ft wand (like a car wash sprayer) pointed 6 inches from the ceiling for 4 hours at a time blasting off old paint....I did not have the hand strength to keep the trigger held for long periods of time...so they were afraid I would burn up the motor powering that thing....they quickly moved me to scraping ceilings, walls, and trimming out windows with the sisters.... I think we also worked on floor 7 or 8 on plumbing/electric shops...same thing...

maybe you remember the little skinny weakling...

SnakesInTheTower (of the "still not a good painter" Sheep Class)

46

Help! Calling all Ex-Elders for advice on Appeal Commitee Situation

by flipper in

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hello guys, mr. flipper here.

here's the deal, i'll try to be brief, hard for me.

mrs. flipper and i got married last october, but before that one month before,my 18 year old daughter, her mom, my ex from 1998 and her husband came incognito one sat.

SnakesInTheTower

flipper...

that is good news...it is not unheard of despite my early pessimistic tone. I dont recall you sending a letter, but I doubt your thoughts of legal action had anything to do with it. I think it was the incredibly shaky ground they had in the first place. They could tell you were not going to roll over and die. Now...do you meet with them? Yes. Dont make them rethink the whole thing...but be very very careful what you say. Record the conversation incognito if you can. Dont answer these two questions:

do you believe the FDS is being used by Jehovah to provide spiritual food at the proper time?

do you believe Jehovah is using his earthly organization? (or some such similar nonsense)....

If you do answer, LIE!.. tell them with a heartfelt, "of course, but I have been hurt and stumbled. It will take a long time for my heart to heal"

Make a few Sunday meetings at your new locale....go occasionally....for show....since you are inactive, you cannot just turn in phantom time, they will want to study with you and maybe put you in the Pioneers Assist Others program (a bulls*it all talk no action program...)...so just tell them you are not ready for that at this time..then start fading again....

hope you find peace and your parents find peace that you are not D/F.,

Please advise, Snakes. I respect your opinion

thanks for the vote of confidence. I am just one mere human, and my opinion is just that..an opinion...glad if i did help...thats all I ever wanted to do as an elder when I was one.

SnakesInTheTower (of the "happy for Mr. Flipper" Sheep Class)

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MTS School

by Black Man in

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when will the wts admit that this arrangement is a bust - financially, emotionally, aesthetically.

mts was something that started in 1987 for those who wanted to pursue other avenues of services without having to go through bethel service.

it originally was intended to be an abbreviated gilead course with brothers receiving assignments to go into the circuit work, missionary service, special pioneer work or to serve where the need was greater (which oftentimes translated to the boonies or starkly rural areas).

SnakesInTheTower

Dont F*c*ing get me started on MTS! that program is a pet peeve of mine...what a fu*king waste of time for those brothers to go through...prepares them only for a Utopian congo, not what they get sent to.

The majority of assignments brothers now receive from MTS? Being sent back to their local congregations like fish thrown back in the water. So for two months, brothers get gilead-style training only to be sent back home in hopes of serving in their home congos.

NOT TRUE....they used to send them back to their home congos and let them sit awhile to gain experience and apply their knowledge. I know of several classes where they were assigned back home, then 2 weeks later got their assignments to the boonies. Here is the experience of many: The elders in the assigned congo (usually 3 or less elders) dont want some new younger MTS blood there upsetting the apple cart...they like the status quo (which is why the Borg sends them there) The brothers are given assignment letters that include the name, address and phone number of the PO in the assigned congo....but the PO does not help. These brothers resent MTS grads because it means the locals are not doing their job and need "help"....They dont want help...they like it the way it is.

WHAT A WASTE!!

That is a true statement.

Let me tell you the experience of someone I know who went to MTS a few years ago... the brother got his letter (along with half the class) 2 weeks after graduation...his was to somewhere in the Middle of Nowhere USA along with another brother from the class. When this brother got his letter, he called the PO listed on the letter. The PO in this assigned congo did not help him find housing, job, anything before he was to arrive (not that there is much in the Middle of Nowhere congo in the midwest) . The MTS grad had to decline that first assignment and ended up assigned closer to home, within 75 miles, but he had to commute for all the meetings and service, plus elders meetings... all because there was no work in that rural congo either. 150 miles round trip, X 3 meetings a week, + Sat FS...at least 600 miles/week + a hundred miles in FS....then another trip if the elders decided to have a Fri night elders meeting instead of one after the congo meeting. ...usually since this MTS brother (an elder)...was left out of elders meetings because the 3 local elders were on the service committee...so they would have "service committee" meetings without him...later this brother would find out the real topics and he should have been included...they were leaving the MTS elder out in the cold on purpose. The brother relating this experience was greatly disillusioned about the whole thing. Applied for years, did not go to school, etc...waiting for his chance...finally gets it...then that?

He ended up leaving the Rural congo and going back to a congo closer to home, where he was treated like crap. Stayed an elder for a few years....deleted because he was resented by that BOE because he was an MTS grad (even though he was no longer in the program). The brother was dropped from the MTS program (for not taking the Nowhere assignment, then leaving the Rural assignment without good reason). This brother transfers congos again and has now basically dropped off the radar. That MTS grad is no longer pioneering, no longer an elder, and hardly goes to meetings and does not go in FS. Nice...from spiritual so-called "cream of the crop" to spiritual "Scum of the earth" in the eyes of the Borg....and no help from the congo he does go to. Maybe he will tell that whole story here one day, if he ever leaves the Borg that is.

I heard later that an MS from the same MTS class as the first brother and another MTS elder were also sent to that Rural congo and they are still there, wasting their time...congo not growing, problems still there ...5 years after they arrived. (so much for that great training...they should shutter that congo) Both disappointed they were not reassigned (or sent into circuit work, which they were trained for at MTS) after helping the first congo...but still sticking it out. . and racism..even within the congo..why would they send a black brother (who is still there) and another brother not white ...why would they send them to an all white congo in an all white county that still has KKK members? The black brother gave up a nice PT gig back home with benefits that he had for years to go do janitorial work for a brother..... WTF? The other brother gave up a FT gig at home to go do a barely above min wage job in a restaurant..... barely making ends meet.

The Borg ~~trains~~ brainwashes these MTS grads, tells them they are special, thentells them not to get a big head, then sends them without any resources to congos where elders are leaving for greener pastures because the economy is in the tank but the only ones left are elderly publishers....so sure, send a young MTS grad in...he wont be resented by the local yokels?? nahhh..

Peace out...sorry you got me started...MTS (Most Terrible Sh*t)..."A mind is a terrible thing to waste"

SnakesInTheTower (of the "much calmer now, thanks" Sheep Class)

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Help! Calling all Ex-Elders for advice on Appeal Commitee Situation

by flipper in

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friends

hello guys, mr. flipper here.

here's the deal, i'll try to be brief, hard for me.

mrs. flipper and i got married last october, but before that one month before,my 18 year old daughter, her mom, my ex from 1998 and her husband came incognito one sat.

SnakesInTheTower

flipper...

do you think I have a good reason to tell my appeal chairman that I want to file charges of slander against my ex-wife and younger daughter?

yes you have good reason and no I dont think you should do it. Looks like sour grapes either way. If they are leaning into reversing the decision, you going for the jugular will only make you look "not humble" not "Waiting on Jehovah" (tm) ..and make them rethink not d/f you. If the appeals committee (or service desk) has any brains, they will pursue the slander.... (despite being a dolphin, you can only hold your breath so long before coming up for air....)

If they decide not to d/f afterall, you could make some humble whimpering noises at the end..such as "i have really been stumbled by the way we were slandered but I love Jehovah...." (head hanging down)...and leave it at that...go back to fading....and understand they will have someone watching you...although being further away may stop some of that...and they probably wont give your ex any more of their time.

but if they d/f you, they will not be interested in your testimony about slander because apparently it is not slander and the charges are true in their eyes.

peace out, i need to go to bed..post here or if i dont reply here, pm me....

SnakesInTheTower (of the "glad Im not an elder anymore" Sheep Class)

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Help! Calling all Ex-Elders for advice on Appeal Commitee Situation

by flipper in

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friends

hello guys, mr. flipper here.

here's the deal, i'll try to be brief, hard for me.

mrs. flipper and i got married last october, but before that one month before,my 18 year old daughter, her mom, my ex from 1998 and her husband came incognito one sat.

SnakesInTheTower

Mr. flipper... I went back through your posts back to about april...trying to get a handle on where you are as a jw/exjw. appears you have been inactive 4 years and have moved away from your old congo. I am guessing you never had your card forwarded to the nearest congo to where you are...just tried to fade away...almost successful too (damn ex-wife)

mr flipper, I am trying to figure out the timetable here. Aug/Sept 06, ex-wife and daughter try to catch you and mrs. flipper in compromising position (nothing to catch, not stopping the ex from accusing you). You and mrs flipper get married in Oct 06. Nov 06 you get a call from your former (technically still your current) elders wanting to meet for an inquisition. You decline. Fast forward to Feb 07, you get a letter inviting you to a BorgInquisition. Is this all correct?

Assuming it is, why did they wait 2 months (what Mar/Apr 07?) to D/F you? Did they announce this before they told you were D/F, or has the announcement been held in abeyance while this appeal goes through? Are you D/F now (exhiled to Shunville) or in D/F BorgLimbo (meaning, no privleges, but you are not yet exhiled officially to Shunville?)

So now you appeal in May 07 and here it is almost the end of JUNE 07, 10 months after the initial accusation? WTF? I am curious that the chairman admitted they could not come to a decision. They are not supposed to tell you that they did not agree or even that they are leaning toward no decision unless it is to uphold the original committee decision. They should have just said we have a couple more questions. The fact that they are delaying this whole thing rather than just uphold the original committee tells me that one or more elders on the Appeals committee has some serious doubts about the original decision. Since it is your ex-wife making the accusation, her testimony should have been seriously questioned in the first place.

Oh yes, the CO is definitely involved, since he is the one who chooses the appeals committee (usually from within the circuit, but sometimes outside depending on ties to the accused). Yes, I ~~think~~ am certain the BorgServiceDepartment has been contacted.

I have some inside knowledge of the process at BorgService assuming I was informed correctly (please dont ask how, I just do, and no I never was a bethelite/CO, etc). As someone else said here, it is rare that an appeals committee decides opposite of the original committee. (And rarer for the original committee to be reversed by Service.) If the appeals committee either decides opposite or no decision, then it goes to BorgService for a decision. That is not just a flip of a coin. I know procedure there, and they have procedures for just about any imaginable scenario that could be thrown their way. Tons and tons of old JC case studies. It could stop at the brother at the state desk in consult with others in BorgService. It could go to the service desk committee of the branch (US in this case?)...it could go to the Service Committee of the GB. In extreme cases, it could go to the GB...although you (and the local elders) will never know how far up it goes before a decision is sent back. However, this could be a lengthy process the further it goes. There may be tons of phone calls and/or letters going back and forth between BorgService, Appeals, Original, CO, DO, depending on who gets involved.

Your case does not seem that complicated. I think ultimately you will be ruled against. I say this because you do not have "works befitting repentance", meaning you are not at meetings, FS, etc.....so even if you did nothing (and I have no reason to believe you did anything wrong even in the eyes of the Borg...this is just your exwife exercising a vendetta), you have not been to the meetings, so out of the Borg you go. I am surprised it has gone this far in the appeals process. Most appeals committees I dealt with would have said "4 years inactive? forgeddaboudim!"

The only reason to go forward is a) to mess with them b) to try to show JW family you still care what the Borg thinks c)to maintain contact with the JW family. Some say why bother. Others say fight em. I have no advice, just info. PM if this is confusing or you have questions..... I wish you well. Your avatar always makes me smile.

SnakesInTheTower (of the "still have a toe trapped in the Borg" Sheep Class)

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Judicial Committees: What was it like selecting them?

by Open mind in

looking back over the years it's funny to me now how we selected committees for jcs.

it seems like there was always at least one barney fife, gestapo elder who was chomping at the bit to be selected.

rarely would a guy like that get selected.

SnakesInTheTower

my last congo, there were few elders to choose from right before I was deleted. (5 of us) I was on many JCs. One elder was elderly and did not think he was useful. I often had to encourage him to volunteer because his insight was actually appreciated. He was kind but to the point, appreciated and respected even by those the target of the JC. I got criticized by my nemesis on the BOE because I was trying to "stack" the JC to my liking! Yet, if it was his buddy or family, when he was PO he made sure to maneuver things his way. For awhile it was a decent but new PO from another KH that was our PO....less "maneuvering" (yet more elders to choose from at the time). When the decent PO left, the nemesis elder's son became PO...making it easier for Nemesis to maneuver things...he is now PO by proxy.

In the congo I was in briefly before that, we had no JCs while I was there. I did see how it worked from the files, since there was only 3 elders, so they all served on them all. And the secretary ran things with an iron fist. (He was the one that kept a personal file on each and every publisher, Big Brother style). Lots of unfairness.

The two congos I was in before that, they had large bodies of elders. There was no fairness in it. A lof of it was "I dont want to do it". It was not supposed to be about turn taking. Specific situations were supposed to be handled by men with more experience (albeit, BorgExperience, not real life experience). A newer elder should have been allowed to serve on simple cases at first (those where the person confessed and it was open/shut, preferably not D/F cases), then serve on more complex cases. Mostly, it was who was available on the night the accused was available. (hypocrisy)

The last case I served on in my last congo (before I was deleted) was an apostate case (ironic, eh). All the elders (5 at the time) served. It basically had been decided ahead of time to D/f. The PO had been building a case against the brother by snooping in the apostos online public blog. nothing really there at the time, certainly there is now, at least by BorgStandards.

I hated the process. I hated the committees. I hated the judging. I hated that I had their life in my hands (now I am relieved to know that is not true, but that really I was unwittingly giving them their freedom).

If I was ever unkind, I have said this before, I say it again. I AM SORRY.

SnakesInTheTower (of the "not an elder anymore" Sheep Class)

20

Borg Cost cutting measures...can you think of others?

by SnakesInTheTower in

i was reflecting on the other thread (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/135961/2.ashx) about the new koolaid watchtower....and thinking about this being more of an overall cost cutting measure than any kind of old light repackaged as special lite.......can you think of any other examples?

a few examples: no more subscriptions (no more yellow envelopes, no more yellow, blue, green, pink forms).

no more postages sending individual magazines.. kingdom ministry now sent in same box as magazines rather than separate roll of kms to po house.

SnakesInTheTower

now catch/kill and pluck their own chickens, milk their own cow and grow their own vegetables on their balconies

laughing at that...

however, I remember they used to have chickens, beef herd, dairy cows, pigs, etc. then, about 15 years ago I believe, they built huge refrigerated warehouses at the Farm and started getting their chickens from Tyson...much cheaper to buy all of these things from the worldy corporations than do it themselves, even with free labor..... (milk fresh from the cow milked that morning was really great when I was there as a temp...but dont keep that milk in the fridge more than a day, it goes bad like manna).

I wish they would just close the whole damn thing down...and stop with the guilt trips for money.

SnakesInTheTower (of the "hoping for the shutdown of the Borg" Sheep Class)

ps...the only thing they are growing at the Farm is BULL$H*T and the only thing coming out of the factories is the same pollution.