Posts by SnakesInTheTower

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Theodore Jaracz was the keynote speaker at my convention...

by under_believer in

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we just had our convention at the memorial colosseum in portland, or.

good old teddyj was our keynote speaker.

i can tell you right now that the ol' boy's still alive and kicking.

SnakesInTheTower

Scary Teddy... looks like a zombie...just die already OK? You want your heavenly reward, don't you???...so dyings NOT a bad thing for you... ...oh, your not so sure about it? want to keep living here and tormenting us R&F dubs with your backward thinking....oh....I seeeeee.....

NN..

OM(G?)! that tshirt is too damn funny! Is that a photo shop on that T shirt or is that real? I bet you could sell a bunch of those to us apostates!

choosing life..

If they would turn that story around and have a jw kid refuse to pioneer and insist on going to college and then move out to spite the parents, what do you think would happen? If baptized, they would easily be considered bad association or enjoy the inside of a JC.

EXACTLY...maybe you were still around the congo when I was going to college?... as an ELDER no less. Do you remember their reaction to that? The local BOE was pissed that because I had a college course that was only held once a year for 16 weeks was only available on Tuesday night...and it was a degree requirement for graduation. I had to go to the morning book study and not take care of the evening book study at the KH for that time (I had my MS assistant conduct). I suggested the elder (you know him) who conducted the morning old timer group switch with me for the semester..you know what they said??? "OH, Brother Greedy has his MLM meeting on that night, he cant make it.....".... well, that's not exactly how they said it, but it was the reason he ~~could~~ would not switch...yet, he always was able to switch to make the CO visit or some quick build thing.......hmmmm

They tried to remove me for that, but the CO told them they could not and that since it was short term, they had to be reasonable......they got me a year or so later.....ta hell wit em...

SnakesInTheTower (of the "getting better educated but not by the Borg" Sheep Class)

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Scan of the latest WT "Questions From Readers"!!!

by deaconbluez in

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SnakesInTheTower

rolling on the floor

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JW Kingdom Hall Target of Arson Fire

by kwr in

boise - fire crews are investigating an arson fire that destroyed a boise church overnight.

that fire happened at the jehovahs witness church just off of roosevelt and st. andrews just after 2 a.m. .

when crews arrived on scene, they found the building engulfed in flames, and say someone set the fire intentionally.

SnakesInTheTower

some here may say "burn baby burn".. others are neutral and have no opinion....some, like myself, hate the wanton waste of a fire...yes, we all likely agree that Kingdumb Hells are a serious waste of real estate. The buildings sit empty 90% of the time. They serve no charitable or true educational purpose. Now the dubs will send all of that ruined material to a landfill...and they will build yet another, nicer Kingdumb Hell (much like a wack-a-mole game, they will keep sprouting up), and the average Joe or Jill Publisher will have their morale soar because now it is even nicer than the first. I don't know how old the old KH was, but still a waste of building materials.

Here's hoping that all Kingdumb Hells will be converted into day care centers or other useful places. Maybe a bar ......call it "The Kingdom Hall"...then when the old lady says, "Honey, where are you going?" he can honestly say, "Why, I'm going to The Kingdom Hall....be back in a couple of hours."

And as a side commentary, I hope they catch whoever did it. If the arsonists get away with it once, they will move on to more useful structures, like someone's house. And those are occupied a lot more often than a KH....someone could die. And as much as I dont like the religion, I still love (most) of the people.....we all (should) have humanity in common....

SnakesInTheTower (of the "hates KHs, hates waste even more" Sheep Class)

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JW Kingdom Hall Target of Arson Fire

by kwr in

boise - fire crews are investigating an arson fire that destroyed a boise church overnight.

that fire happened at the jehovahs witness church just off of roosevelt and st. andrews just after 2 a.m. .

when crews arrived on scene, they found the building engulfed in flames, and say someone set the fire intentionally.

SnakesInTheTower

embedding the story in case the link dies after the next news cycle...comment to follow in next post

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Arson fire destroys Jehovah's Witness church
09:06 AM MDT on Monday, July 23, 2007
Monique James
Idaho's News Channel
Brian Van Pelt/KTVB
The ruins of a church after a fire early Sunday morning.
BOISE - Fire crews are investigating an arson fire that destroyed a Boise church overnight.
That fire happened at the Jehovah’s Witness church just off of Roosevelt and St. Andrews just after 2 a.m.
When crews arrived on scene, they found the building engulfed in flames, and say someone set the fire intentionally.
Witnesses say they saw what appeared to be a couple of teens, dressed in black, running away from the area of the church, just after the fire broke out.
The fire triggered a large response – climbing to two alarms, and investigators think arson is involved.
One witness who did not want to be identified says she immediately called 9-1-1.
“We were coming down the street and we saw orange glow and flames coming from the roof,” the witness said. “We just waited down here and as we were coming down we saw, what looked like some kids running down the street.”
“We had some investigators out there,” Sgt. Randy Buzzini said. “They determined after the investigation this morning was done that one of the corners of the building was set on fire, we believe it was an intentional act and an act of arson."
Church officials had to cancel four planned Sunday morning services. Instead, leaders met to figure out how to pick up and move forward.
"We have a committee here that's working on rebuilding already and it wont be long and they'll have it organized and we'll start cleaning up and we'll start re-building," Don Whitlow of the South Congregation of Jehovah’s Witness said.
Worshippers say the church will be rebuilt and the congregation will continue to meet in a different location, but that doesn't take away the sense of loss.
"It's devastating to see something like this, to any religion, any congregation. It's devastating to anybody," Whitlow said.
Investigators will continue to process evidence they collected and interview neighbors until they get some answers.
“It's not something we take lightly, we are going to be investigating it here over the next several days and looking at possible witnesses,” Buzzini said.
Investigators say they do not believe the arson is targeted at the Jehovah’s Witness community, but rather a random act of vandalism.
If you have any information, call CrimeStoppers at 343-COPS.

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THEOCRATIC MINISTRY SCHOOL SCHEDULE 2007

by garybuss in

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somebody asked for this a while back.

http://hufffamily.com/theocratic_ministry_school_2007.pdf.

SnakesInTheTower

I rarely have gone to the TMS since January...maybe a handful of times. What I am surprised about is the #3 or #4 student talks that just gives them a theme and they do their own ~~research~~ WT Library CD search. they sure take a chance of independent thinking with that, right? HOWEVER, if I recall, if you type any of the themes from those talks into the CD search field, it will directly point to an article of the same theme...hmmmm, instant talk, just add water (watered down info, that is...kinda like Koolaid, eh?).....and the dumb dub thinks he "did the research him/herself"....

Still, I remember hearing a few talks as School Overseer that the information had nothing to do with the theme...esp, the sisters when it seemed 2.5 minutes were being used to set up the "setting", 1.5 - 2 minutes used to read a few scriptures with the "householder" just nodding and grinning (now thats realistic!), and 30 seconds to "wrap it up" with a lit presentation or promise of yet another visit next week...and the "householder" wholeheartedly agreeing.... or some old brother who had not a clue and no computer, just started telling stories and hemming and hawing as his sad dementia took hold....

SnakesInTheTower (of the "dont miss the TMS" Sheep Class)

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How Would You or Did You Leave The Organization??

by minimus in

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by choice, with a little help from the elders, faded slowly, disassociated????

how'd you get out?

SnakesInTheTower

evita:

Seeing a therapist during this time. ....What I regret: Not having this board to help me understand what was going on. I was very hurt, angry, and reactionary

this board IS MY THERAPIST...and a hell of a lot cheaper.

I started my physical fade about 7 months ago, although I think my mental fade began 5 years ago. I was removed as an elder 7 months ago. I changed congos and circuits, but physically stayed in the same house. I attend occasional Sunday meetings, turn in phantom time each month (if asked, it is informal......vvvveerrryyy informal). Haven't decided about going to any of the DC this year.....if I go, its only to check out the eye candy....maybe find a worldly witness sister ... you know the kind...double life type.....

I have had to slow the fade down a bit....I will make another decision in January when our congo goes from morning to afternoon Sunday meeting. I may switch congos/circuits again but maybe not....just say I am going to a morning meeting elsewhere because of work (true) and only show up for an occasional TMS/SM to make an appearance and pick up ~~trash~~ lit.....

oh, and reading CoC now, and getting ready to read ISoCF after that.

SnakesIntheTower (of the "wishing I could completely drop out" Sheep Class)

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Dirty Field Service Moments

by saywhat29 in

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hey everybody!.

i thought it would be fun to share some of your nasty/funniest/embarrassing/messed up/dirty field service stories- witnesses get off on driving around and sharing their stories with each other since... they usually have nothing else in common with the people they are driving around in field service with- but field service itself.. and you know i'm right, driving around listening to brother and sister so-and-so tell you about their amazing study.. who will never ever step inside of a kingdum hall in their lives (smart folks i have to say).

so here's one of mine- a favorite:.

SnakesInTheTower

i once went to a door when I was a young MS (early 20s). another older MS (in his 30s) and I went to a door. We were all pioneering....the other brother took the door and a young woman answered. All the other brother could see was her face and her long t-shirt.....welll...that t-shirt wasnt allthat long... I was facing the door from the hinge side looking in...and I got a full moon shot.....(and a nice moon as I recall). That T-shirt was not covering anything really.....

when I got back to the car, i advised the brother that "maybe his wife should take that door next time...." when he asked why, I told him (in front of his wife..another pioneer) what I seen,,,of course, she took the call after that! As I recall, her husband did not go back except to introduce his wife to the return visit and turned it over to her....

Ive always been amazed how folks can come to the door wearing next to nothing (or nothing at all). In my line of work, I love it when that happens...if they have the body to support that view that is....

SnakesInTheTower (of the "appreciating the fit female form" Sheep Class)

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JWDWhy is it important to keep doing this?

by AuldSoul in

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we've had many jh and minimus threads that start with questions.

we've had loads of "why do you keep doing this?

" and "get a life!

SnakesInTheTower

highlander:

I do believe that even if this site does not continue on...

SHUDDER!!!!

SnakesInTheTower (of the "where would we go ~~Lord~~ Simon?" Sheep Class)

(ps...cool, i figured out how to change font sizes in HTML! )

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Underground Lurker....Coming up for air.....

by Bourne in

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i have been a lurker for the last year...finally got the courage to post.

i guess you could say that i have successfully completed a "fade", although that was not my initial intent.

due to my being in an "unscriptural" separation for a number of months, (that, combined with my paranoia, hence, the alias) i have been forced to go underground.

SnakesInTheTower

Hi bourne and Welcome

excellent moniker by the way. I felt your first post was one of the most articulate and well-thought out by a newbie in some time. I enjoyed the other newbie experiences I have read, but yours seemed very balanced in your mindset.

I have no agenda of pulling my family out. I respect them as I hope they respect me.

I thought this was one of the most mature statements I have read here in awhile. There are some mavericks on the board that want to do everything possible to get our families/friends out..... As much as many of us can't stand the Organization (aka the Borg), some of us love (or at least respect) Jehovah (or whatever higher intelligence is out there that gave us life, regardless of what we call it) and want to do what is right in life. It is our right to stay or leave. It is the right of our families and friends to stay or leave. (despite my postings that lend itself to my doubting the existance of a god at all, I dont really know what to think these days)

it seems that the individual feelings we have towards this religion are the result of how personally we have been affected by it

profound statement indeed....if we have been burned, especially repeatedly, then we tend to be more hostile toward the religion or those in it that caused the hurt. I have a deep love for many of my closest friend in the religion...some lifelong friends...it is my loyalty to them NOT Watchtower that keeps me at least still a bit in...barely active, barely attending...but still in good standing. I have had a burning hatred toward one or two idiots that caused 95% of the problems for me...but that is just a glowing ember now...hatred only hurts us, really, in the long run...

glad to have you with us.... stay awhile, pull up a log, we'll keep the fire burning... post more as you see fit...we have no quotas here....

SnakesInTheTower (of the "trying to stay balanced" Sheep Class)

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 7-22-07 WT Study (Elderly Blessing)

by blondie in

elderly ones, a blessing to the young.

do you associate often with people younger than you?

q1, 2) what should elderly servants of god appreciate, and what will we now consider?.

SnakesInTheTower

thanks blondie! now I have no need to go to the PukeTower today....hmmm for that matter, I dont feel like going to the PukingTalk either.....I think I am still recovering from yesterday! (Actually, I do need to work longer to make up for that).

It looks like Blondie will continue to have access to the study articles.

as a side note. (but not a hijack of course).. my mom told me they read the letter last night about the 30 min PT...and I asked her about the availability of the "Study" edition of the WT...she said they stated it would still be available to the general public...anyone can still get it...we just would not be offering it during the ministry as part of the usual presentation.

So Blondie's access to the PukeTower is apparently safe.

SnakesInTheTower (of the "mmm..not going to the meeting today" Sheep Class)