Posts by FusionTheism

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Going back to the 2008 Generation

by FusionTheism in

it looks to me like the society is rapidly moving back to the february 2008 watchtower "new light" on "this generation," which said this:.

* jesus used "this generation" to mean "anointed ones.".

* in the first fulfillment, jesus was promising that some anointed ones would still be alive to witness the events of 70 c.e.. * in the secondary fulfillment, jesus was promising that some anointed ones would still be alive when jesus returns to judge the sheep and goats.. the new 2015 jw research guide posted on jw.org lists this 2008 watchtower article as the first article people should read about the "clarified understanding" of the generation.. this 2008 view also matches the statement in the new 2015 jesus--the way, the truth, the life book, which says that "this generation" refers to disciples who see the signs of the last days.. i think they are abandoning the overlapping part..

FusionTheism

prologos,

The February 15, 2008 Watchtower says that Jesus' promise means that some of the Anointed will remain on earth until the BEGINNING of the Tribulation (however, Watchtower articles this year have updated this and said that some of the Anointed must remain on earth until the judging of the Sheep and Goats right before Armageddon):

Watchtower, 2/15/2008:

Christ’s faithful anointed brothers, the modern-day John class, have recognized this sign as if it were a flash of lightning and have understood its true meaning. As a class, these anointed ones make up the modern-day “generation” of contemporaries that will not pass away “until all these things occur.”* This suggests that some who are Christ’s anointed brothers will still be alive on earth when the foretold great tribulation begins.

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Last night's bible highlights: David was wrong to greive for his son!

by purrpurr in

last night's bible highlights was really eyebrow raising!

the brother pointed out at lenght about how david had wept when his son absalom was killed.

but that because absalom was killed while opposing jehovah that means that david was wrong and weak to greive for him.. it was applied to today by saying that if our children are df'd when they die then we should not grieve for them either!.

FusionTheism

Come Be My Follower Book, Pages 152-153:

5 Jesus was a man of deep empathy. He identified with and shared in the feelings of those who were suffering. Even though he did not share all their circumstances, he truly felt their pain in his heart. (Hebrews 4:15) When healing a woman who had suffered from a flow of blood for 12 years, he described her ailment as a “grievous sickness,” thus acknowledging that it had caused her great distress and suffering. (Mark 5:25-34) When he saw Mary and those with her weeping over the death of Lazarus, he was so deeply touched by their sorrow that he became inwardly agitated. Although he knew that he was about to resurrect Lazarus, Jesus was so moved that his eyes brimmed with tears.—John 11:33, 35.

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Insight Book (2015), Volume 1, Page 627:

Because of their nature, dirges are associated with moaning and wailing (Eze 2:10), and at least some of them were written down and preserved. Second Chronicles 35:25 reports that Jeremiah chanted over deceased King Josiah and indicates that there once existed a collection of dirges (Heb., qi·nohthʹ), for it is there stated: “All the male singers and female singers keep talking about Josiah in their dirges down till today; and they have them set as a regulation over Israel, and there they are written among the dirges.”

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Last night's bible highlights: David was wrong to greive for his son!

by purrpurr in

last night's bible highlights was really eyebrow raising!

the brother pointed out at lenght about how david had wept when his son absalom was killed.

but that because absalom was killed while opposing jehovah that means that david was wrong and weak to greive for him.. it was applied to today by saying that if our children are df'd when they die then we should not grieve for them either!.

FusionTheism

umbertoecho,

Wow, that's one of the most horrible things I've ever heard. :(

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Gates of Hades will not overpower the Congregation? 1900 Years with NO Congregation??

by FusionTheism in

matthew 16:18: also, i say to you: you are peter, and on this rock i will build my congregation, and the gates of the grave will not overpower it.. and yet, the very latest david splane video on tv.jw.org says there was no faithful slave for 1900 years and no true congregation, and perhaps not even any anointed living.. how does this scripture make any sense then?.

FusionTheism

Jesus says: The Congregation will NEVER be overpowered.

The Governing Body says: The Congregation was overpowered for 1900 years.

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Gates of Hades will not overpower the Congregation? 1900 Years with NO Congregation??

by FusionTheism in

matthew 16:18: also, i say to you: you are peter, and on this rock i will build my congregation, and the gates of the grave will not overpower it.. and yet, the very latest david splane video on tv.jw.org says there was no faithful slave for 1900 years and no true congregation, and perhaps not even any anointed living.. how does this scripture make any sense then?.

FusionTheism

Matthew 16:18: Also, I say to you: You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my congregation, and the gates of the Grave will not overpower it.

And yet, the very latest David Splane Video on tv.jw.org says there was NO Faithful Slave for 1900 years and NO true Congregation, and perhaps not even any Anointed living.

How does this Scripture make any sense then?

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New David Splane Video: No 1900 Year Faithful Slave

by FusionTheism in

governing body member david splane has a new video on tv.jw.org where he talks about all the horrible things committed by martin luther and the protestant reformers.. his conclusion is that there has been no faithful and discreet slave on the earth during the past 1900 years (before 1919 i guess.).

he also says that maybe there were a few anointed on earth, maybe not.. he did add an interesting statement that he doesn't condemn the other churches just for misunderstanding the bible because the society has done that.. another odd point, was that he actually mentioned catholic missionary work in a somewhat positive light, while totally condemning the reformation views on predestination..

FusionTheism

Ding,

Outstanding points.

There was a 2010 Watchtower explaining that anyone who died in all those years who did not have an opportunity to hear the Kingdom Message would receive a resurrection to earth.

Even though for years I heard them say the only opportunity available from 33 C.E. to 1935 was the Heavenly Hope.

But they've dumped the 1935 doctrine now too.

One other Scripture I would add to these points is, what did Jesus mean when He promised Peter that the gates of Hades would never prevail against His congregation?

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Going back to the 2008 Generation

by FusionTheism in

it looks to me like the society is rapidly moving back to the february 2008 watchtower "new light" on "this generation," which said this:.

* jesus used "this generation" to mean "anointed ones.".

* in the first fulfillment, jesus was promising that some anointed ones would still be alive to witness the events of 70 c.e.. * in the secondary fulfillment, jesus was promising that some anointed ones would still be alive when jesus returns to judge the sheep and goats.. the new 2015 jw research guide posted on jw.org lists this 2008 watchtower article as the first article people should read about the "clarified understanding" of the generation.. this 2008 view also matches the statement in the new 2015 jesus--the way, the truth, the life book, which says that "this generation" refers to disciples who see the signs of the last days.. i think they are abandoning the overlapping part..

FusionTheism

It looks to me like the Society is rapidly moving back to the February 2008 Watchtower "new light" on "This Generation," which said this:

* Jesus used "This Generation" to mean "Anointed Ones."

* In the first fulfillment, Jesus was promising that some Anointed Ones would still be alive to witness the events of 70 C.E.

* In the secondary fulfillment, Jesus was promising that some Anointed Ones would still be alive when Jesus returns to judge the Sheep and Goats.

The new 2015 JW Research Guide posted on JW.org lists this 2008 Watchtower article as the first article people should read about the "Clarified Understanding" of the Generation.

This 2008 view also matches the statement in the New 2015 Jesus--The Way, The Truth, The Life book, which says that "This Generation" refers to disciples who see the signs of the last days.

I think they are abandoning the overlapping part.

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Last night's bible highlights: David was wrong to greive for his son!

by purrpurr in

last night's bible highlights was really eyebrow raising!

the brother pointed out at lenght about how david had wept when his son absalom was killed.

but that because absalom was killed while opposing jehovah that means that david was wrong and weak to greive for him.. it was applied to today by saying that if our children are df'd when they die then we should not grieve for them either!.

FusionTheism

Current new light, as far as I know, is that it's good for Witnesses to privately grieve and to pray for their Disfellowshipped family members as long as they aren't flagrant apostates.

Also, publications say that Jehovah grieves for Disfellowshipped prodigals and He desires they return to Him.

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New (non)-Witnessing Model

by berrygerry in

so, one of the kids on reddit posted this video - an evangelist trying to witness to guardians of the cart.

(both sides are fairly respectful imo).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwbc9c4ajly&feature=youtu.be.

FusionTheism

ecan6,

Outstanding comment. I feel blessed by reading it.

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Are You "Technically" Still A Jehovah's Witness?

by minimus in

jw
friends

even if you don't regard yourself as a practicing jw, some may view you simply as inactive, a lost sheep, etc.. if you were baptized but not disfellowshipped or disassociated, you may still be a jw---right?

your thoughts please..

FusionTheism

Never baptized.