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  Earthquake hits Oklahoma City.

  by jeeprube in

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  http://www.news9.com/global/story.asp?s=9745183.

  does this mean the end is near?.

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  Alpaca

  With all due respect, jeeprube, you gotta let go of all that eschatological stuff.

  The "end," as presented in the Bible is a fantasy.

  The earth is going to keep rolling along for 100s of millions years in the future just like it already has for hundreds of millions years.

  Species have come and gone and will continue to do so--and as painful as it is to contemplate, that includes humans.

  The human species is just a blip on the geologic radar screen. So far we haven't demonstrated any unusual characteristics or abilities that indicate we are going to be long term evolutionary survivors. We could be taken out in a blink, just like the dinosaurs.

  That being said, this is a wonderful world with so much incredible life and diversity. Enjoy it to the fullest while you're here.
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  Earthquake hits Oklahoma City.

  by jeeprube in

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  http://www.news9.com/global/story.asp?s=9745183.

  does this mean the end is near?.

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  Alpaca

  No
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  Snow Day!!

  by Quirky1 in

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  well, i'll probably have to use some time off to get paid, but yup, i'm snowed in.

  at least until the snow plow comes by and i shovel my truck out.

  i wonder what an apostate can accomplish on a day at home?

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  Alpaca

  Yep, we're buried here in Northeast Ohio.

  There are warnings out for only emergency vehicles to be out.

  I moved here from South Florida in 1999 and I've adapted pretty well but I have come to the conclusion that human beings should not live in latitudes above 30 degrees.

  In Florida you get up in the morning, throw on a pair of shorts and a tee shirt and you're out the door. Here it is a damn production to just get out the front door....layers and more layers and boots and a hat and gloves....I look like the frikken' Michelin Tire Man by the time I'm dressed.

  It's killing my self image.
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  My 500th Post

  by Robert7 in

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  so i hit the 500 post milestone.

  when i joined, i had just mentally 'snapped' the day before, and broke out of the mind control.

  i knew it wasn't the truth, and proudly i did this with my own discernment.

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  Alpaca

  Hey brother....and I mean that in the most genuine, non-Dub way possible....

  Good job, man. I wish I had handled things more like you, my exit was no where nearly as smooth.

  My ex and her parents were so hardcore that I never dreamed of saying anything. In retrospect, I may have been able to do something. But what is, is and there is no going back.

  You now have a real future and you can enjoy it with your family.

  You are doing the right thing.
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  I want to thank the Atheists here. I have come to realize I was wrong.

  by BurnTheShips in

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  hillary_step, nvrgnbk, superfine apostle, and others that have helped me so much.

  they said i would be an atheist within two years, but my metamorphosis has happened virtually overnight.

  'how many fingers, burntheships?'.

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  Alpaca

  Wow....I've avoided BTS threads because I was afraid I would just go off....there are so many things going though my head...."where there is life there is hope"....
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  Cracks in the Veneer

  by mrsjones5 in

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  last night i was talking to a dear cousin of mine (if i had to classify her i would say she a liberal jw who firmly believes) and she said "they told me that i wouldn't graduate high school and now i'm almost 50".

  after she said that i waited for her to follow that line of thought to some conclusion of perhaps "maybe they're wrong" but it didn't happen.

  i don't have any desire to start working on her to leave the borg (though i would love it if she and other members of the family would wake up) but i do find it interresting to listen to and watch the cracks in the veneer.. josie.

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  Alpaca

  I wanted to add that even when I left in 1997, I heard those types of comments from "strong" Dubs -- one had been a missionary in South America for a very long time and was the PO in my congregation. It was a rare moment of candor that completely caught me off guard. My ex mother-in-law was another one who made similar comments from time to time. She and my father-in-law had been hard core and in from the 40s. And there were comments from others.

  I can't even imagine how much more betrayed the old timers are feeling now, even if they won't admit it.
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  NEED HELP with Watchtower or publication quotes (age of the earth)

  by Tatiana in

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  for the life of me i can't remember and can't find even with "search" what the exact belief was about the age of the earth.

  did it change?

  i could have sworn we were taught to believe that the earth was no more than 5-7 thousand years old.

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  Alpaca

  HeyTats,

  Did you get your questions answered?

  That whole issue with the age of the earth and the life on it was one of the final and most important straws that made me bail from the BORG.

  All the best,

  Alex
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  "The Conscience Rule" Started 1/19/09....Check this out!!! UNBELIEVABLE!

  by minimus in

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  section 884d2 of this rule says that if a person did not want to assist another in any health service situation, they couldn't be made to violate their consciences!

  it "bars health care institutions and employers from requiring any individual to perform or assist in the performance of any part of a health service program '' if it would offend his/her religious beliefs or moral convictions.

  if a worker refused to perform or assist an employer could do nothing about.

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  Where this gets really confusing for non-Dubs is when different Dubs exercise their consciences differently.

  For example, with the blood issue, suppose that one Dub will handle blood fractions, but another will not. Or, to make it even more confusing, suppose one Dub will handle one type of blood fraction but not another type of fraction (based on some interpretation of the GB's directives).

  What health care employer in his right mind would even want to take the chance that in an emergency a medical team is stopped in its tracks by some idiotic equivocating over this kind of stuff?

  Of course, the BORG ban on education should prevent too many Dubs getting the education necessary to work those kinds of jobs.
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  CO's and DO's for the Midwest.

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  however you define the geographic midwest.

  the only do of consequence i had was illingworth.

  also f bartell.

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  Alpaca

  I was in South Florida and it seemed like we got the COs and DOs from all over the country who had earned the "perk" of being assigned to an area with year 'round nice weather.

  Anybody remember:

  Frank (can't remember his first name)

  Hinderer

  Park (he and his wife were Korean)

  Kent and Becky Karas

  There were a bunch more of course, but I can't remember their names.
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  Cracks in the Veneer

  by mrsjones5 in

  1. jw
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  last night i was talking to a dear cousin of mine (if i had to classify her i would say she a liberal jw who firmly believes) and she said "they told me that i wouldn't graduate high school and now i'm almost 50".

  after she said that i waited for her to follow that line of thought to some conclusion of perhaps "maybe they're wrong" but it didn't happen.

  i don't have any desire to start working on her to leave the borg (though i would love it if she and other members of the family would wake up) but i do find it interresting to listen to and watch the cracks in the veneer.. josie.

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  Alpaca

  While it is interesting and encouraging that some are beginning to have the courage to say what is in their hearts, I guaranttee that there is not a single Dub who doesn't think about it.

  How could you possibly pin your hopes and dreams, and plan your life around a promise that is proving to be a lie, without dwelling on it???

  The BORG is famous for quoting the Psalm that says, "Expectation postponed makes the heart grow sick." Well, guess what? They are reaping a healthy harvest of that right now.

  In past discussions on this board some have talked about some development within the BORG that could prove to be a catalyst that would create a mass exodus. This could very well be it. If enough Dubs begin to say this stuff out loud in the company of other Dubs an unstoppable wave of dissension may begin to sweep through the BORG. Of course, the Gestapo will start in on the apostate stuff, but it may end up being too little, too late and drowned out by the voices of the victims.