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  New " Witness Only " Watchtower - Even More Controlling - Check this Out

  by flipper in

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  it had been 5 years or more since i even read a watchtower article after exiting the witness cult in late 2003. but i was curious to see if the new " witness only " watchtowers were more controlling than i remember them being 5 years ago.

  and it certainly opened my eyes to the extreme control.

  when you have been away from it - you can really see the difference !

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  Alpaca

  Rather we ask: " Is the one spreading this story acting in harmony with what the Bible says ? Do these stories or allegations further Jehovah's purpose ? Do they promote the peace of the congregation ? " Anything we hear that tears down the brotherhood ( of pedophiles ) rather than builds it up is a worthless thing . "

  This is classic flawed logic. It reflects the same level of intelligence as the proverbial general who doesn't like the message (intelligence) so he kills the messenger, as if that will make everything okay.

  I can see where they are going with this, though. It would not surprise me to see them use some kind of twisted argument that, just as witnesses testifying in a court of law are qualified by testimony about their character and truthfulness, so too the motives and truthfulness of the "messengers" exposing the shortcomings of the Borg should be subject to the same kind of careful scrutiny.

  DAMN.... that sounds good....maybe I could get a gig writing that shit for them when they start outsourcing the writing.

  NOT!!!!

  Whew, they are really reaching the bottom of the argument barrel with that kind of shit.

  Thanks for posting Flipper!!!!

  Alex
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  When a JW, what did you think about human fossils of 1.2 million years

  by LouBelle in

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  when i was in and documentaries came on the telly about human fossils being found dated 800 000 years old or 1.2 million years old i would always say - they surely must have the dating process wrong (hello - i'm not expert) or would try find a loop whole to make sure that the belief of mans' 6/7000 year existance.. i also used to reason that they were probably a species of apes or forgeries - anything to make myself believe we as jws' were right - i did this without even "thinking" really - like breathing.. i even studied science & biology at school and would also have to come up with ""excuses"" for this or that.

  ag what did we know we were only kids, but when you become an adult and have adult reasoning faculties one can't ignore the facts.. so what did you create as a safe bubble when things like this came up?.

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  My experience was similar to the rest of you guys.

  Eventually though, the solid scientific foundation for evolution forced me to be intellectually honest. Once I started down that road there was no going back.

  No special human creation, hence no original sin, hence no need for a savior, hence no basis for the Bible's wild claims that there would be an Armageddon....

  It didn't take too long to realize that the whole Dub/Borg constuct of reality was a house of cards.
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  What have you done to heal yourselves from the borg & lead a content life?

  by cognac in

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  or, at least made progress in healing yourselves.... right now i feel like i have made a lot of progress.. i did the following that helped tremendously:.

  joined this forum!

  faced my husband regarding how i felt and feel that we have met eachother 1/2 way on this - even researched and prepared how to talk to him in a better way (i have a blunt, tactless way of bringing things up - in case you guys didn't notice, lol.

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  Meditation >>> I caught a ration of shit for doing this while I was in the Borg even though it helped relieve chronic pain from a car accident (Borg thinking: heavy duty pain killers okay; meditation demonic) >>> now I do it all the time

  School >>> the academic atmosphere and intelligent exchange is very healing

  Take time for myself >>> instead of constantly running on the Borg treadmill

  Exercise and working out >>> it's not beneficial for just a little, lots of it has made me feel terrific

  Volunteered for worthy causes >>> 'cause God ain't gonna fix things--it's up to us

  Practicing intellectual honesty >>> professing to believe Borg propaganda was very debilitating

  Evaluating people, ideas, and philosophies of life based on their real merit rather than some bogus man-made standard masquerading as God's standard

  There's lots more, but I think these are the biggies.
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  Just curious--how many Dubs/ex-Dubs have come to JWD in the last year?

  by Alpaca in

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  i have the sense that we are seeing a lot more open dissent on jwd with dubs who are still in the borg or fading.. what do you guys think?.

  how many have recently left or are in the process of leaving as a result of jwd or other related sites that expose the borg?.

  what was the final straw that did it?.

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  Alpaca

  Man, you guys who have been on here for a relatively short period of time have been posting like crazy.

  I can only assume that it is because you are just so "done" with the Borg that really need to vent.

  Right on!!!

  Alex
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  Five Things You Need to Know To Understand The Latest Violence in Iraq

  by nvrgnbk in

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  five things you need to know to understand the latest violence in iraq.

  29/03/08 "alternet" -- - heavy fighting has spread across shia-dominated enclaves in iraq over the past two days.

  the u.s.-backed regime of prime minister nouri al-maliki has ordered 50,000 iraqi troops to "crack down" -- with coalition air support -- on shiite militias in the oil-rich and strategically important city of basra, u.s. forces have surrounded baghdad's sadr city and fighting has been reported in the southern cities of kut, diwaniya, karbala and hilla.

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  NGB,

  There is no question that the United States is mired. We can't stay and we can't leave....

  If you haven't seen Chalmers Johnson interviewed or read any of his books, you should check this out:

  http://www.democracynow.org/2007/2/27/chalmers_johnson_nemesis_the_last_days

  It will blow you away.

  Alex
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  Judge rules JW elders must testify in molestation case

  by pseattle2 in

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  this just went up on freeminds regarding the jw elders in southern california, who have so far been stonewalling about their private conversations with accused jw child molester gilbert simental... the judge in the case has issued an order for them to testify:.

  (the judge) said... "it was more like a third-party investigation into immoral conduct."...

  the judge said, the elders' duty was to determine guilt and to protect the congregation, not to keep the communications under wraps.

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  You all know what is going to happen, don't you?

  The local BOE is going to get thrown under the bus, as suggested by Mr. Flipper. The Borg will do whatever it takes to distance themselves from a local matter. I am sure they already have their legal mechanisms in place to give them an out. They are going to let the local BOEs assume personal liablity for this if they can get away with it.

  Wow!!!! I had no idea what I was signing on for when I was appointed as an elder. And, speaking of that, it would not surprise me at all if the Borg started making elders sign very detailed contracts that would preemptively absolve the Borg from any responsibility for things occurring at the local level.

  It will be very interesting to see how things evolve.

  All the best to everyone,

  Alex
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  Don't bother recycling ... God will fix the earth

  by 10p in

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  http://www.watchtower.org/e/20031122a/article_03.htm

  just browsing the site for kicks, and this annoyed me.

  typical jw attitude - with the readership they supposedly have, they could have made a real difference ... encouraged all jw's to recycle, buy carefully etc.

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  In all fairness to the Borg (which I absolutely despise) I don't think they have ever espoused the view (often seen in other fundie religions) that they could pollute shamelessly and leave things in Jehovah's hands.

  On the other hand, I don't think they ever did enough to affirmatively promote conservation and recycling. I have been a life long birder (including the time I was growing up and in the Borg) and I can remember being lectured by the elders about the futility of belonging to conservation groups "in this system of things," and that I should trust in Jehovah to solve the environmental problems. I was also counseled that belonging to conservation groups could be spiritually dangerous because they usually are politically active.

  What a crock!!!

  The numbers of people who believe that we can do whatever we want to the earth, because god is watching over everything, is downright terrifying. This is the only planet we've got and we are doing an absolutely horrible job of caring for it.

  Americans are at the forefront of the disrespect. We have 3 to 4 % of the earth's population and we consume 30 to 40 % of the resources (>60% of the energy resources). We live in a greedy, consumerist society that is never, ever satisfied. It is always MORE, MORE, MORE....BIGGER, BIGGER, BIGGER...NEVER ENOUGH.

  Well, guess what? That can't go on forever. We are at a breaking point on this planet. Either we deal with our excesses or nature will. When "MOM" plays the last hand it is not going to be pretty.

  Sorry for the mini-rant...sometimes I just get started,

  Alex
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  How many exjw's do you think there are out there now?

  by Velvetann in

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  i am not sure if anyone has asked this before but i am curious.

  does anyone know approximately how many of us have left the watchtower society in the past 20 years.

  it seems to me that it is compounding monthly lately.

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  I'll see if I can find it for you.

  Alex
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  Bye-Bye Brooklyn....were OUTTA there! Real Estate news.

  by oompa in

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  i was told today by a heavyweight elders wife, both of whom were at bethel for many years and are very well connected to the brooklyn brass, that all brooklyn bethel operations will be moved to wallkill and patterson.

  in fact, there is a very exclusive walk-through next week for some of the top real estate investors/developers who will see all the properties, starting with the sands, and its lobby has now been remodeled to look just like a high-end hotel..................just fyi.................................oompa

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  i suspect they've already got plenty of Swiss accounts fully stocked.........and, they'll be able to trot out convenient, trite, "scriptural" reasoning to anyone who asks once it becomes "public knowledge".........

  You betchya' !!! The Borg elite at Bethel live like kings and they are able to do it without reporting any personal income. They are no better than the fundie televangelists who do the same thing. They probably have so many layers of fake corporations, trusts, holding companies, and divestitures that Sherlock Holmes would have a hard time tracing the money. If there is one thing the Borg leadership is, it is shrewd and coniving.

  I can easily envision the leadership obscuring the wealth and the money to ensure that they continue to live a lavish lifestyle with relative anonymity.

  Alex
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  Bye-Bye Brooklyn....were OUTTA there! Real Estate news.

  by oompa in

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  i was told today by a heavyweight elders wife, both of whom were at bethel for many years and are very well connected to the brooklyn brass, that all brooklyn bethel operations will be moved to wallkill and patterson.

  in fact, there is a very exclusive walk-through next week for some of the top real estate investors/developers who will see all the properties, starting with the sands, and its lobby has now been remodeled to look just like a high-end hotel..................just fyi.................................oompa

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  OTWO,

  HOT DAMN!!! I love it -- that is hilarious!!!

  Alex

  By the way, have you ever seen that Tee shirt with the different religious versions of "Shit happens?" The buddhist version: Is there any sound when shit happens in the forest?

  Dub version: Knock, knock...Shit happens.

  Same kind of humor.