Wow....I've avoided BTS threads because I was afraid I would just go off....there are so many things going though my head...."where there is life there is hope"....
Alpaca
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I want to thank the Atheists here. I have come to realize I was wrong.
by BurnTheShips inhillary_step, nvrgnbk, superfine apostle, and others that have helped me so much.
they said i would be an atheist within two years, but my metamorphosis has happened virtually overnight.
'how many fingers, burntheships?'.
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Cracks in the Veneer
by mrsjones5 inlast night i was talking to a dear cousin of mine (if i had to classify her i would say she a liberal jw who firmly believes) and she said "they told me that i wouldn't graduate high school and now i'm almost 50".
after she said that i waited for her to follow that line of thought to some conclusion of perhaps "maybe they're wrong" but it didn't happen.
i don't have any desire to start working on her to leave the borg (though i would love it if she and other members of the family would wake up) but i do find it interresting to listen to and watch the cracks in the veneer.. josie.
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Alpaca
I wanted to add that even when I left in 1997, I heard those types of comments from "strong" Dubs -- one had been a missionary in South America for a very long time and was the PO in my congregation. It was a rare moment of candor that completely caught me off guard. My ex mother-in-law was another one who made similar comments from time to time. She and my father-in-law had been hard core and in from the 40s. And there were comments from others.
I can't even imagine how much more betrayed the old timers are feeling now, even if they won't admit it.
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NEED HELP with Watchtower or publication quotes (age of the earth)
by Tatiana infor the life of me i can't remember and can't find even with "search" what the exact belief was about the age of the earth.
did it change?
i could have sworn we were taught to believe that the earth was no more than 5-7 thousand years old.
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Alpaca
HeyTats,
Did you get your questions answered?
That whole issue with the age of the earth and the life on it was one of the final and most important straws that made me bail from the BORG.
All the best,
Alex
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"The Conscience Rule" Started 1/19/09....Check this out!!! UNBELIEVABLE!
by minimus insection 884d2 of this rule says that if a person did not want to assist another in any health service situation, they couldn't be made to violate their consciences!
it "bars health care institutions and employers from requiring any individual to perform or assist in the performance of any part of a health service program '' if it would offend his/her religious beliefs or moral convictions.
if a worker refused to perform or assist an employer could do nothing about.
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Alpaca
Where this gets really confusing for non-Dubs is when different Dubs exercise their consciences differently.
For example, with the blood issue, suppose that one Dub will handle blood fractions, but another will not. Or, to make it even more confusing, suppose one Dub will handle one type of blood fraction but not another type of fraction (based on some interpretation of the GB's directives).
What health care employer in his right mind would even want to take the chance that in an emergency a medical team is stopped in its tracks by some idiotic equivocating over this kind of stuff?
Of course, the BORG ban on education should prevent too many Dubs getting the education necessary to work those kinds of jobs.
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CO's and DO's for the Midwest.
by AllTimeJeff inhowever you define the geographic midwest.
the only do of consequence i had was illingworth.
also f bartell.
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Alpaca
I was in South Florida and it seemed like we got the COs and DOs from all over the country who had earned the "perk" of being assigned to an area with year 'round nice weather.
Anybody remember:
Frank (can't remember his first name)
Hinderer
Park (he and his wife were Korean)
Kent and Becky Karas
There were a bunch more of course, but I can't remember their names.
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Cracks in the Veneer
by mrsjones5 inlast night i was talking to a dear cousin of mine (if i had to classify her i would say she a liberal jw who firmly believes) and she said "they told me that i wouldn't graduate high school and now i'm almost 50".
after she said that i waited for her to follow that line of thought to some conclusion of perhaps "maybe they're wrong" but it didn't happen.
i don't have any desire to start working on her to leave the borg (though i would love it if she and other members of the family would wake up) but i do find it interresting to listen to and watch the cracks in the veneer.. josie.
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Alpaca
While it is interesting and encouraging that some are beginning to have the courage to say what is in their hearts, I guaranttee that there is not a single Dub who doesn't think about it.
How could you possibly pin your hopes and dreams, and plan your life around a promise that is proving to be a lie, without dwelling on it???
The BORG is famous for quoting the Psalm that says, "Expectation postponed makes the heart grow sick." Well, guess what? They are reaping a healthy harvest of that right now.
In past discussions on this board some have talked about some development within the BORG that could prove to be a catalyst that would create a mass exodus. This could very well be it. If enough Dubs begin to say this stuff out loud in the company of other Dubs an unstoppable wave of dissension may begin to sweep through the BORG. Of course, the Gestapo will start in on the apostate stuff, but it may end up being too little, too late and drowned out by the voices of the victims.
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Alpaca
If it had only been that easy!!!
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Sir David Attenborough gets hate mail from viewers...who believe in Creation
by Latte inattenborough gets hate mail from viewerstue jan 27 11:54am by tv editor.
recent articlesdancing on ice's ray 'marked down' by judgesproducers wanted clunes for doctor whoabsolutely fabulous idea or absolutely not?yahoo!
users back verne to winitv slashes the billsir david attenborough has revealed that he gets hate mail from viewers for not crediting god in his documentaries.. the veteran broadcaster, who is presenting a new series on charles darwin, said that he has received letters telling him to burn in hell because of his views on evolution.. he told radio times that he is often asked why he does not credit god when talking about some of the creatures featured on his shows: "they always mean beautiful things like hummingbirds.
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Alpaca
It doesn't surprise me at all.
In the U.S. fully 1/2 of the population believes that it is possible they will see Armageddon in their lifetimes. With that many nuts running around what do you expect.
It does all of us well to realize that the fundies are always just hairsbreadth away from wresting the control of our society from the rationalists and the moderates.
That's why, as much of a pain-in-the-ass as it is, all of us who care about this kind of stuff need to be politically active and support organizations like American Atheists, Freedom From Religion Foundation, Center for Inquiry, Godless Americans, and other humanist organizations that fight against the injection of religion into government and politics.
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NEED HELP with Watchtower or publication quotes (age of the earth)
by Tatiana infor the life of me i can't remember and can't find even with "search" what the exact belief was about the age of the earth.
did it change?
i could have sworn we were taught to believe that the earth was no more than 5-7 thousand years old.
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Alpaca
Tats,
Go to bed. There is plenty of info. available. Check back tomorrow and all of your questions will have answers.
All the best,
Alex
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Human Sacrifice---The Ultimate Gift To God
by minimus inthe aztecs were very much into wanting to please the gods, so they sacrificed animals and humans to appease their god(s).
the mayans did the same.. the assyrians and other "pagans" were known to perform human sacrifices.
throughout history, people have killed innocent victims---all in the name of trying to please god.. when nations go to war with one another, they praise those who give the ultimate sacrifice for their country.
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Alpaca
While the "ultimate sacrifice" of giving one's life for a cause or a principle receives considerable attention in historical and contemporary commentary, a person can only do that once.
IMHO, the WTBTS has figured out how to coerce it's adherents into the ultimate "ultimate sacrifice" by having individuals not just sacrifice once, but to pour a lifetime's worth of energy, financial and emotional resources, and health into the illusion--day after day, year after year, until the individual has expended everything on behalf of a mirage that is always visible and almost within grasp at the edge of the horizon....