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Mad writes: What I was talkin' about!!!! LOLOLOLO
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77The Question Non-Jws hate to hear! (Unless they're athiests)
by Mad indid jesus have a god that he worshipped?
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The Question Non-Jws hate to hear! (Unless they're athiests)
by Mad indid jesus have a god that he worshipped?
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Dadroz wrote:"Without needing to argue about the specific details of trinitarian doctrine (there are many forms/ideas/versions), there is a big flaw in thinking that Jesus was just a created being/an angel. Firstly, the Bible doesn't outright say "Jesus used to be Michael the Archangel" so as much as the Watchtower tries to infer it from the fact that Michael led a war against the devil, it isn't explicit. Mad writes: Wow! What enthusiam! It radiates from your words, Dadroz- it's a pleasure 'hearing' from you! Now, down to 'business'- the subject Of Michael is another matter; let me know if you want to continue on it! And, even tho I am a JW- I don't wish to talk about my brotherhood- we each will have to answer for Christ, won't we? Let's just stick to scripture- and the subject, please! So, now that you're not one of us Brainless Watchtower Zombies, who do you "know" God to be...now, my friend? Agape, the Mad JW
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BA wrote:"So, anyone who puts faith in God and Christ, rather than an organized religion, or a man, or group of men, is a one man band, eh?
Mad writes: Sometimes YES, BA- a 'One-Man-Band'. If they are by themself, they are. That'a not BAD- it's just that Christ WANTED believers to work together!
PS- After praying in faith for God's Holy Spirit, try reading the Scriptures without referring to the WTBTS literature for it's "correct interpretation", you'll be surprised what you comprehend.
Mad writes: I NEVER look to the WTBS for interpretation! ONLY scripture. I DO consider their thoughts, which, in MY opinion, are USUALLY right! At this board the picture given is that the WTBS is an evil group maliciously controlling a Robot Army of Magazine Peddlers. The REALITY is that it is a group with many problems- as EVERY GROUP/ORGANIZATION/CHURCH has, that really TRIES to LISTEN and OBEY Christ...and bring honor to the One the Churches hide- the God & Father of Jesus Christ!
The biggest problem is that (once again- as in EVERY religion) there are Pretenders messing things up- as Jesus pointed out- wheat overgrown with weeds! So every time I go to the Kingdom Hall, I listen to scripture, and lop off opinion and speculation of my WTBS, considering them- but not accepting as true- unless the scriptures show it such. The speculation floats in a holding tank, while I wait & see...
Agape,
Mad
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My mom wants me to go to memorial
by WANTMOMBACK inever since i can remember i have attended the memorial only for my mothers sake though.
i am not a jw nor do i have any desire to ever become one but i know it means alot to my mom.
although now i have been enlightened on many things about her religion that i do not want any part of and i do not want to go.
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Take her to church for Easter!
What harm is there in going- and just listening to the scriptures? Ignore all else- but at least do THAT!
Unless you do not believe in the Bible, anyways!
Mad
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Question for JWS and EXJWS
by Fisherman in1 do you now reject all of the wts teachings and doctrines?
2 what doctrines do you still believe in?
3 what doctrines have you stopped believing in?
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Beer C writes: "A simple example. The Watchtower tells its members to believe that Jesus is Michael the Archangel. Read the small book of Jude. What does Jude say about this? Also consider that If Jesus is Michael when back in heaven, why does every New Testament writer call the resurrected Lord Jesus, Our Savior Christ Jesus, Christ Our King etc. Can you find one verse where Michael is called Our Lord, Saviour, King? I choose to believe my Bible when it tells me Jesus is Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6) "
Mad writes: Was Jesus called Michael? Consider, Beer:
What name did Jesus have before being GIVEN the name "Jesus" when he came to earth?
To understand this issue, one must understand what an angel is in the FIRST place!
Angel in Hebrew means simply "Messenger"- thus the elders of the congregations addressed in Revelation (Chapter 2) are referred to as- you guessed it- angels!
Jesus was himself an ANGEL - the greatest messenger (angel) of all time!But was he MIchael? WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANYONE THINK THAT? Here is why!
1- Michael is described with the authority that only Christ is shown
to have. The confrontation with Satan over Moses body (Jude 9)
was long before Jesus was given the HIGHEST authority of his
Father (after his death & resurrection)- AND before the Son of God
was GIVEN the name "JESUS"! That name is NEVER referred to as
belonging to someone in the heavens till Christ was resurrected,
even tho it was a name used on Earth ( Joshua is the same name-
in Hebrew, "Joshua/Jesus (Greek)" meaning "Jehovah is Salvation".
When Michael said "May the Lord rebuke you"- Jesus WAS NOT
LORD at that time- Jehovah, his Father was.
Daniel 12:1- refers to Michael standing up for God's people at
the time of the end during the Great Tribulation, as Christ later
REVEALED HE HIMSELF WOULD DO! "Jesus the Son of
God" WAS COMPLETELY UNKNOWN TO GOD'S PEOPLE (Israel) at
that time.
2- Then comes the further revelations thru the inspired Christian
records:
Paul at 1 Thess 4:16 tell us Christ acts with the voice (authority)
OF THE ARCHANGEL- and he's LEADING an army of angels
(2 Thess1:9)! That authority wasn't given to him by an archangel! That authority was straight from God Himself- the authority/ voice
of the Angels' Leader was Christ- he IS the Archangel. Finally,
3- The name! Michael means, in Hebrew, "Who Is Like God?" Even
tho men on Earth have been given that name ( I have)- ONLY
ONE PERSON ANYWHERE is TRULY LIKE God...Guess who?! Bingo!
JESUS is the ONLY one!!! You know the scriptures!
(If you DON'T- PLEASE let me know, and I'll post those, too.
4- God inspired John to refer to Jesus by his original name, Michael, in Revelation
to verify that Daniel's prophecy of Michael protecting God's people-
would still take place!The scriptures NEVER come out and DIRECTLY SAY that Michael was his original name, so it SHOULDN'T be stated as
an absolute fact!
Buuuuuuuuuuut, since there is nothing at all in the Bible to even hint that Jesus was taking Michael's place (assuming Michael IS another
angel -messenger), changing ALL THE PROPHECIES that pointed to ONE PERSON in that role, it can be seen! Remember that Jesus is
now King, Savior, Father (only to mankind-Isa 9), Prince, High Priest/Mediator, and Leader (there are probably others that I have
forgotten for the moment! He has always been God's Son, and, it APPEARS-from the handful of references, the ArchAngel!
The most important fact is that Jesus is indusputably the one who leads God's angels at this time (Last Days)- and that is what the
title "Archangel" means!Yet, even without the Bible DIRECTLY spelling that out for us, one can clearly SEE it!
I know who Michael is!Lord knows I didn't want to believe it myself; I was a proud Catholic with a medallion of "St. Michael" around my neck, when JWs were
showing me what the scriptures ( Not Sister Mary Ethelberger- Nun / Principal of St. James Catholic Church of Orlando, 1950/60s)
said! After 3 years of arguing and prayer (Prayer with the &^%## Rosary), the Spirit got thru!!!Here is an excert from Jude (KJV), with the verses before and after-
7-Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8-Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. 9-Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
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My guess is that "the Lord" Michael refers to here, must to you, be Jesus. Correct, Beer? If so, remember that none in Heaven have been given
the Title-Name "Jesus Christ", none have been given all authority yet- so It WASN'T Christ Jesus- who would have that authority later!;it belonged ONLY to Jehovah....Michael's Lord- referred to here!Now here is the interesting part: What name was God's Son known by? What fitting name would he likely have? I heard that- yes, it is NOT SPELLED OUT for us! Hmmm! I wonder what is the only name in the scriptures that would be fitting for the only one "Who Is Like God" ? Tough one! Did Jehovah give command of the angelic hosts to someone else? OOPS! It's not SPELLED OUT! Michael has that authority which is the next highest only to Jehovah Himself! So at this time was Jesus just a 'private' among the myraids of angels??????
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!Once again, Jesus is the ONLY ONE ANYWHERE that is "Like God"!
Regarding Jesus being Mighty God (Isa (/John 1:1)....was MOSES God, too? Consider what God Himself said-
Exodus 7:1 (Darby Translation)
1- And Jehovah said to Moses, See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Kindest Regards, the Mad JW
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BA- It is CHRIST that said "where one or two are gathered in my name"... Nothing WRONG with being a One-Man-Band...just won't accomplish as much.
Mad
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The Tower of Babel... What's up with that?
by LtCmd.Lore inseriously,,, what was gods problem?
the story of babel bothered me for quite a while.
after all, satan made a few challenges right?
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I'm trying to find that info online- here's a little from the Ancient Hebrew Research Center - http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/emagazine/022.html
Nimrod?????
By:Jeff A. Benner
The name nimrod is not Hebrew but it is a Semitic name and is therefore closely related to Hebrew. The name comes from the Semitic root ??? (MRD) meaning "to rebel". In the Ancient Hebrew/Semitic cultures a persons name was closely related to their character and therefore Nimrod's name fits well with his personality. The name is formed by placing the letter ? (N) before the root. A common means of forming words and names out of a root in Hebrew is by placing the letter ? (M) before the root while other Semitic languages use the letter ? (N). Because of this we know that Nimrod is of a non-Hebrew Semitic origin.
The person Nimrod is only mentioned in Genesis 10:8,9 but these two passages speak volumes about the character of Nimrod. The standard translation for verse 9 is something like "He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; therefore it is said, "Like Nimrod a mighty hunter before the LORD". It would appear that there is nothing out of the ordinary about Nimrod. So, why is he so often seen as such an evil person?
Only two persons in the Bible are identified as "hunters", Nimrod and Esav, the twin brother of Ya'acov. From the story of Esav and Ya'acov we know that Esav was not the most respectful person. Not only did he despise his birthright but to spite his parents married foreign women. From this we can conclude that from an Hebraic perspective hunters are seen in a negative light. In verse 8 it states "he was the first on earth to be a mighty man". The Hebrew phrase may also be translated as "He made a profaning by being a mighty one in the land". To add to this verse 9 states that he was a "mighty hunter 'before' Yahweh". The word for "before" in Hebrew is "liph'ney" and literally means "to the face of" and in this case "to the face of Yahweh" and can mean that he was a mighty hunter in place of Yahweh implying that he, rather than Yahweh is the provider of the people.
One final clue into the character into the personality of Nimrod is how the Semitic root MRD has been used even into our own time. The Ancient Semitic root MRD (marad) is the origin of our words MaRauDer and MuRDer. -
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The Tower of Babel... What's up with that?
by LtCmd.Lore inseriously,,, what was gods problem?
the story of babel bothered me for quite a while.
after all, satan made a few challenges right?
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FoundMyWay wrote: "As far as I know, the ONLY translation that says Nimrod was in oppostion to Jehovah, is the NWT. Why do all the other translations describe Nimrod as him a mighty hunter before God, and nothing is mentioned of his opposition to God? Just the fact that God saw that the sons of men were building this city, and if they finished it, nothing would be impossible for them....so He then confuses their languages.A friend of mine brought this to my attention, so I thought I'd mention it....if you can find another translation that says that Nimrod was in opposition to Jehovah or the Lord, let me know...humbly, ~found"
Mad writes: You are CORRECT- the NWT is the only one I ever found that adds "In opposition to"! When I saw that (@1968) I thought I found a serious translation flaw to throw in their faces (I was studying with them at the time), then I pulled down one too many books, finding one on the Hebrew text in the OT. Looking it up, I was horrified to find that, yes, the Hebrew word "before" was used (" a mighty hunter BEFORE the Lord", KJV)...but that a marking providing sense stress/idiom conveyed "before- in a defiant sense"! Ruined my year- I never WANTED to be a JW- at first!
the Mad JW
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...Let's open up the dictionary and find out what the word "cult" means...Very Good! Junior? Will you read it aloud for the class, please?
cult
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate
1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : the object of such devotion c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotionSeeing that the word really covers any religous group, organization, or church- you ALL (unless athiest, or a one-man-band) are probably part of a (GASP!) CULT!
Now if you want to make fun of all our blunders, I know you won't let ME slow you down! I do it myself! But at least - MAYBE- you'll remember the ambiguos meaning of the word!
The Mad JW
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If you were to ask a JW these questions what would they say?
by TooBad TooSad inwho do think is going to be destroyed at armageddon?.
when do you think armageddon is really coming?.
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Who do think is going to be destroyed at Armageddon?
Mad writes: Any Christ sees as Evil & unchangeable.
When do you think Armageddon is really coming?
The Bible tells us to KEEP it close in mind- so the sooner the better! MUCH better!
The Mad Witness