Darth, most religions believe they are the only right one- and that, as a result, they will primarily be the ones saved. That's NO problem with me- after all, isn't it in Christ's hands- NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS? And, yes, when one is stupid enough to teach a Guess as a Fact- one DOES make excuses! My Brotherhood does & says a LOT of stupid things. However, it is the only one that has the courage to trash Tradition that is false ( Hellfire, Trinity, X-Mas, Easter, etc) and stand by what is True- even if we have a lot of ridiculous beliefs regarding prophecy, and have problems in other areas. We TRY, many just pretend!
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56You no longer need to be a JW to get into the New System..???
by OUTLAW inwhen i lived farther up country..i had a car load of dub ladys come to the ranch..i told them they supported an organization that would kill everyone but jw`s.thats what i was taught when i was a kid..they said "no",that decision will be made at armageddon..??
?..i figuered "theocratic warefare stratagey"..they were lying to me!.....i talked to my mom a few years later and made the same comment..she said "no,that decision will be made at armageddon.??
?.this is the person that taught that doctrine to me.i just rolled my eyes.more "theocratic warefare stratagey".that woman woud lie in a heart beat for the wbt$.....yesterday the subject came up on a thread and hillary_step said the comment is true.....hillary and i have been friends for years,he totally blew me away..i could`nt believe what i was reading..he said the change had been made in the "90`s".....so now i have some questions for those who are more up to date on this subject than i..hillary_step,if your kick`n around please chime in.......#1:when did the wbt$ decied to quit preaching only the jw`s would get into the new system?..#2if you no longer need to be a jw to get into the new system,why bother?..#3:dieing at armageddon because your not a jw,was a gun to your head to join the jw`s.what do they use now?.....this isn`t the same religion i walked away from decades ago..this,the un scandel,the generation change,blood factions now acceptable..the wbt$ is morphing before our eyes and jw`s dont see it..lol!
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If the bible is from God then explain this!
by Anti-Christ innu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?
one can only speculate.
dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
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RawData writes:"The Bible is not self-contained. It doesn't explain things that "seem" to be inconsistancies/contradictions within itself. It always leaves these explinations to some persons or other with "special" insight into the meaning."
Mad writes: RD, since the books in the Bible were written SO long ago (Genesis being a recording of Verbal History passed on from before writing was practiced), and the languages so ancient, and the fact that they were written by 40 different individuals at different times, places & societies- you need to look at it a little differently: it wasn't written by Joseph Smith or a group of monks. While the Greatest Minds of those past Ages were teaching the most ridiculous Creation Stories imaginable ( Gods warring in Heaven, divine blood splattering on the Earth forming man & woman- and many even MORE silly), Genesis described how the Earth was shaped for life (it ALREADY existed when the Creative Days began) , and how life was brought about in stages- as found true by Science- barring, of course, the Theory of Evolution! While the people of all cultures were dying from endless diseases, the Mosaic Law, when followed, protected the Israelites from germs & virususes NOONE at that time knew existed. And there's SO much more! (Get one of our books on the subject, even if you never want to join us.) The 'contradictions' come from OUR limited IQs- and from dogma pounded into our minds...and then there are those that simply don't WANT to understand the Bible- just ridicule it for their own reasons. The scriptures DO confirm your point "It always leaves these explinations to some persons or other with "special" insight into the meaning"- James 1:5 says that you only need to ask God- and He will give to the understanding- IF you really want it!
Sandy wrote:"All the death and violence that God ordered or condoned in the old testament has always been an issue with me. Even though i never voiced my opinions or questions, it made me sad, wondering why God would allow such things."
Mad writes: If you study the lives and practices of those ancient peoples, Sandy (look them up in Bible Dictionaries, and National Geographic sites/books)- you will begin to understand; it was like life on an Alien World. People took their young children to temples to be abused by priests (on PURPOSE), or slit open with knives as sacrifices, And when these people attacked another, they didn't just kill them- they tortured them in ways that make the Nazis look like the Teletubbies. It was a VERY brutal world; the movie "300" is the first I've seen that really captures the atmosphere! So, yes- it's VERY difficult to understand without having a knowledge of life at that time! The scriptures always revealed how sad & disgusted God was at the things being done- and that He set an Appointed Time to put an End to it all. When we set an 'appointed time', say to take a vacation, it's always for many reasons. The same is true with Jehovah!
Agape,
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You no longer need to be a JW to get into the New System..???
by OUTLAW inwhen i lived farther up country..i had a car load of dub ladys come to the ranch..i told them they supported an organization that would kill everyone but jw`s.thats what i was taught when i was a kid..they said "no",that decision will be made at armageddon..??
?..i figuered "theocratic warefare stratagey"..they were lying to me!.....i talked to my mom a few years later and made the same comment..she said "no,that decision will be made at armageddon.??
?.this is the person that taught that doctrine to me.i just rolled my eyes.more "theocratic warefare stratagey".that woman woud lie in a heart beat for the wbt$.....yesterday the subject came up on a thread and hillary_step said the comment is true.....hillary and i have been friends for years,he totally blew me away..i could`nt believe what i was reading..he said the change had been made in the "90`s".....so now i have some questions for those who are more up to date on this subject than i..hillary_step,if your kick`n around please chime in.......#1:when did the wbt$ decied to quit preaching only the jw`s would get into the new system?..#2if you no longer need to be a jw to get into the new system,why bother?..#3:dieing at armageddon because your not a jw,was a gun to your head to join the jw`s.what do they use now?.....this isn`t the same religion i walked away from decades ago..this,the un scandel,the generation change,blood factions now acceptable..the wbt$ is morphing before our eyes and jw`s dont see it..lol!
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You're being childish, Outlaw. Since arguing with them in the 60s, they showed me the scriptures that CHRIST would be judging the hearts in the Day of Fury, and that there probably WOULD be many spared that weren't JWs- but that only He would make that call- after all, the scriptures usually show that only those listening to God & Christ (2 Thess 1:8) will be spared. And if you don't believe the group you're a part of are True Christians, you have SERIOUS problems!
However, in YOUR defense, the magazine writers sometimes Flip-Flop on this, saying things implying ONLY faithful JWs will be spared- sometimes as above. Face it; people screw up!
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Do you believe in God? oR Jesus?
by themonster123 inso....do any of you believe in some person in the sky floating around called jesus?
or having a relationship with that person (or god) who is in some other dimension apparantly?
being a witness, they stressed so much having a relationship with "jehovah" and all that.
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Now that explains so much about the ridiculous things said: 1 out of 20, Avid! Most keep trying to pound the Square Peg into a Round Hole. Yes, there is a lot of idiocy in Organized Religion- as well in ANY group of people. Yes, the Almighty has let terrible things happen for a very long (to us, anyways) time- and the "Appointed Time" may- or may NOT- be now...but is that any real reason to mock God? Or to pretend He doesn't exist? Or to make your opinion 'Gospel'? Sad! Mad
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Trinity?
by BFD ini am reading the bible for the first time.
i was df'd in 1976 and lived my whole life thinking the jws have the truth and i just could not live up to the standard and was doomed to die at the big a without question.
until i found jwd 31 years later.
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BFD wrote: "I am reading the bible for the first time. I read Revelations ealier this week (whoa) and last night I read John I, II,and III. (KJV).Anyway, 1 John 5:7 reads, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
Sounds like a trinity to me. Am I missing something here?
Any thoughts or comments will be greatly appreciated.
BFD
Mad writes: "The Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost" were not found in the earliest manuscripts. And "Ghost" is a terrible MisTranslation, anyways. If those words belong there- there STILL is no problem understanding them; God, His Son, and the Holy Spirit work together in perfect harmony. They both accomplish great works thru the Holy Spirit- the Power (not Ghost, or 'Trinitarian' God-Thing) of the Most High. And as one pointed out- Jesus simply ISN'T God; he was GIVEN his authority in Heaven & Earth. God already HAD it- NOONE can give it to HIM!
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Is speaking in tongues for Christians today, and what is it?
by jwfacts inthe watchtower claims speaking in tongues was restricted to the first century, though it seems quite clear that this was something to be practiced in the last days.
should christians today speak in tongues and what exactly is it?
i am wondering about the reasoning as some christian religions practice it and others don't.
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Unbelievable! All those claims, yet no acknowledging the FOUNDATION of the Gifts of the Spirit! Think that you have them, but if you do not know the True God and salvation thru His Son, then the powers you may have come from an ENTIRELY different source! Mad
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new watchtower mag arrangement
by shadowofbathory inthe latest from brooklyn ( my mate in upper management ) i thought id share.. .
the watchtower is remaining bi monthly.
instead of both monthly offerings sharing same formats there is a change coming into action soon.
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LOLOLO! JWd, you need remember to "Keep your eyes on the things ABOVE- NOT on the things below!" Just focus on YOUR devotion to God & Christ- and don't let such things bother you!
Agape, Mad
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If Jehovah isn't the true God then who is?
by unbaptized inif jehovah isn't the true god then who is?
if the jehovah's witnesses aren't god's people then who is?.
please let me know and i need current information, not outdated information regarding the origin of the organization.
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Unbaptised wrote:"If Jehovah isn't the true God then who is? If the Jehovah's Witnesses aren't God's people then who is?Please let me know and I need current information, not outdated information regarding the origin of the organization. I need biblical facts that can be researched."
Mad writes: People choose religions & beliefs as one chooses which flavor of ice cream at the store; if it TASTES good, they buy it. Facts are rarely important to them- UNLESS the 'facts' support what they WANT to believe.
Fact: There really IS a God. (Elaborate design thruout the Universe)
Fact: His qualities can be seen thru the design.
Fact: The Bible has enough evidence to validate it comes from God.
Fact: The Bible identifies Him with the Name YHWH - Yahweh (Hebrew), Jehovah (English)
Fact: "God's People" are those honoring and devoted to God (Jehovah) - regardless of faults.
Christ is the one who will determine who are sincere...and who are actors!
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If the bible is from God then explain this!
by Anti-Christ innu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?
one can only speculate.
dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
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Anti wrote:"\The account shows that God CONTINUED to add to the animal kingdom after creating Adam,
NOT the ridiculous implication above.Genesis 2:19 (King James Version) 19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Mad writes: Anti- if you take an HONEST look at Genesis, you will clearly see there is no attempt to state things chronologically EXCEPT the description of the Creative Days. What this verse SIMPLY tells us is that God created EVERY living animal, and later had Adam name them. If you don't want to believe the Bible- PLEASE don't let me stop you! Just ignore me- PLEASE!
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If the bible is from God then explain this!
by Anti-Christ innu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?
one can only speculate.
dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
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Spaznik wrote:"Mad: So, destroying people is "managing society"? I'm not sure that answers my question about all things being possible with God and yet he supposedly chooses mass slaughter over say mass correcting. How is that any different from how humans have been "running things"? Thanks for your reply."
Mad writes: I said that I didn't KNOW the answer to that, S! However, if ANYONE has a "right" to execute & judeg people as wicked- it's the One who made them!