Posts by misocup

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Am I being persecuted by the WTS for my choice of beliefs? Is it criminal?

by misocup in

is dfing someone religious persecution?.

i do not believe what the wts says, i do not want to belong to that org.

because of that, i no longer have contact with my family.

misocup

They might have the right to believe what they want to believe and even the right to associate with whomever they want . . . or not but when it comes to the damage it does to those who are consider to have left the courts might begin to see this practice in a whole new way

Ah see that is what I'm on about.

Maybe someday after the courts tell the WTS they cannot shun anymore, or they start losing big money for the damage caused by shunning, they will change their policy and call it "new light". HA!

If you are a JW, raised in it, you have the right to leave, the right to believe as you want, BUT you will be punished severely for exercising those rights. I think that punishment is aggressive intimidation and religious persecution instigated by the organisation. It's as much as they can do without actually killing you, or putting red hot pokers in your eyes.

Personally, I don't see why you can break the laws of the land (especially constituational laws) in the name of God. That leaves all types of abuse wide open.

If you look at the bigamists that think it's ok for 50 year old men to marry 15 yr old girls in the name of religion, or the muslims who think it's ok to kill their children for bringing disgrace on the family or fly planes into buildings full of people, or the hindus who think it's ok to allow millions of people to live on the streets, or the catholics who think birth control is wrong even though the people most affected are the poor (ever read Angelas Ashes?) At some point religion has to loosen it's stranglehold on the minds of humans.

99% of the time religion is used as a tool for control of the people by those wanting (more) money and power.

How do the GB live? Anyone know?

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An Inconvenient Pool - Algore

by Bonnie_Clyde in

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this is from the wall street journal (page a12), thursday, march 1, 2007: (sorry i don't know how to scan).

"there is an irresistible quality to the story about al gore's energy hungry tennessee home, replete with a heated poolhouse that burns more natural gas--$500/month worth--than most of us can afford to use while heating houses that shelter people, as opposed to swimming lanes.

did you know that mr. gore's house uses more electricity in a month than the average household does in a year?.

misocup

If Mr. Gore is going to lead the rest of us on global warming

At least someone is taking the lead! What is Bush doing?

The change has to start somewhere. While Mr. Gore uses electricity just like the rest of us, he's done us all a favor by enlightening us to the fact of global warming. He cannot save the planet by himself, if he gave up his pool what would that prove? The only thing gained by this ridiculous "expose" is that people will focus on his energy use instead of trying to find other clean forms of energy. It's a political tactic, Gore is not trying to lead by example as if global warming is a choice of belief instead of a scientific fact.

By distracting us from the real issue of global warming, the oil peddlers are making billions of dollars!

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Hey!!!! I found my new favorite song lyrics:

by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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hey .

don't write yourself off yet .

it's only in your head you feel left out.

misocup

I thought the very same thing when I first heard this song awhile ago. I thought it applied to me. Until I found this site, just a few days ago, I'd never attributed it to my religious past. SIGH

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Didn't get to go to college? Want to see what it would be like?

by grey matters in

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in a move to "democratize education" many top universities are now publishing class information online.

content can range from lecture notes to audio and video of lectures, assignments, and practice exams.

the article i read was called "yale for $0 a day" and originally appeared in the wall street journal.

misocup

the real "college" experience is a one time shot.....

Considering that very few of the earths population will ever experience it, there's not much point thinking that you've missed out on much from a developmental perspective. The social benefits seems to be the most valuable thing (outside of the education itself). You connect with people in the "network".

I work at a University and see how the families who have been there awhile make it easier for their young ones through the network. Just because you have a traditional degree doesn't mean anything unless you are related to or are friends with the right people. I also see the faculty who are all PhD's. They aren't really smarter than the average H.S. grad but they certainly think they know it all!

Magical experience? Don't believe what you see in the movies. It implies that anyone who does not experience trad. college somehow doesn't grow up right. Simple snobbery.

B.S. Bull^^^^

M.S. More of the Same

PhD Piled Higher and Deeper

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Am I being persecuted by the WTS for my choice of beliefs? Is it criminal?

by misocup in

is dfing someone religious persecution?.

i do not believe what the wts says, i do not want to belong to that org.

because of that, i no longer have contact with my family.

misocup

Even the NWT proclaims that Jesus was persecuted to ~~disfellowshipping~~ death for his religious beliefs, which were in opposition to the doctrines and practices of the scribes and pharisees.

Thank you

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Am I being persecuted by the WTS for my choice of beliefs? Is it criminal?

by misocup in

is dfing someone religious persecution?.

i do not believe what the wts says, i do not want to belong to that org.

because of that, i no longer have contact with my family.

misocup

I willingly joined the cult because I believed them.
I willingly escaped from them after I found out they lied.

yes willingly joined and willingly escaped, but you obviously went through a lot of what I would call religious persecution for your beliefs (or lack of belief in their org). While it was the people around you who did the deed, it was definately the WTS calling the shots.

Some aren't so willing to join, and some are fearful of leaving because of the family problems that will come! If you do not believe, you will be punished by the people you know and your family.. at the insistance of the WTS! Because of the psychological mind control issues, one could argue that these people do not act of their own accord. Especially the ones indoctrinated from an early age. Thereby leaving the WTS fully responsible for their teachings, religious persecution and violation of civil rights perpetrated by their followers.

Is not the incitement of a crime by person(s) in a position of trust worse than the actual performance of it?

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Ever been sick for years then got better?

by avishai in

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i've had seizures for the last three or for years and they're finally starting to get under control.

the deal is, now what do i do?

i'm not 100%, mind you, but quite a bit better....so...damn, it's just kinda weird..

misocup

I like your icon, I keep thinking the guy is combing his hair then I think, wait a minute he has no hair!

Congrats on the improvement in your health.

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Well !Well!what have we here ?

by mouthy in

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=araretreat

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agapa37

I had dozens of bound volumes until one day I found out we weren't supposed to keep them. I was told the information in them was - old- and might make me stumble but now I realize that they contained information about the teaching of the WTS that showed their false prophecies. If you are the head of an org that claims to be the only conduit of information about God and you write this information in magazines and books and tell everyone they must believe it because of the source (God's org), and you then change that info completely and explain away the mistake, and then forbid others from owning old volumes, that my friend is a cover-up of false prophecy.

Matthew 7:15 “Watch out for false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are voracious wolves. 1

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Am I being persecuted by the WTS for my choice of beliefs? Is it criminal?

by misocup in

is dfing someone religious persecution?.

i do not believe what the wts says, i do not want to belong to that org.

because of that, i no longer have contact with my family.

misocup

Is DFing someone religious persecution?

I do not believe what the WTS says, I do not want to belong to that org. Because of that, I no longer have contact with my family. I think the WTS is persecuting people for their religious beliefs. They certainly persecute those who are no longer part of their org (for any reason). I think that is a violation of my civil rights and religious freedom.

What do you think?

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WERE THERE ANY BIZARRE ELDERS IN YOUR CONGREGATION?

by badboy in

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any takers?

misocup

I remember an elder who had just lost a step-son he had helped raise in a car crash. I told him I was sorry for his loss and he snapped back that it wasn't his son and he had strayed from the truth anyway so it didn't bother him.

Or the elder who quit his good job to pioneer and he and his wife cut back on everything including heat for their house. If we went over there in the winter it was never above 55 degrees, we had to keep our coats on.

Or the time a 26 year old brother had a stroke from high blood pressure, I told an elder that he, his wife and two babies needed help financially because he could no longer work (he couldn't walk or talk) and I was told off because aparently the brother could work in this elders opinion, he was just weak (spiritually).

13:34 “I give you a new commandment – to love 86 one another. Just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. 87 13:35 Everyone 88 will know by this that you are my disciples – if you have love for one another.”