Posts by misocup

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News from Bethel Heavy

by cinnamon1642 in

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pioneer hour change is legit.

letters are being mailed out soon to all congregations for announcement in early october right before the tract campaign starts.. .

elimination of circuit overseers.

misocup

The CO's around here were famous for coming around and denouncing anyone who worked shiftwork and had to miss meetings for work. It is also pretty hard here to find a job that pays enough to raise a family that doesn't involve shiftwork(without a college education). I used to hate their visits, as they would make my husband feel terrible when they said he lacked trust in Jah's ability to provide on a minimum wage job.
I went in service once with the CO and he started on the shiftwork rant. I actually told him that my husband would be glad to take a job that didn't require shiftwork if he would like to help support the family, if we couldn't make the bills. He showed such disgust towards me after that. I hope he is one of the CO's that is left to fend for himself.

I remember it well, and it wasnt' just the CO's. Anyone who let family responsibilities get in the way of meetings was considered weak, even if the father had cancer and there were three small children with one disabled child. Mind you even with all that the 'brothers and sisters' in the congregation NEVER lifted a finger to help. They just piled on the criticism. We finally stopped going and it took 4 months for our 'dear friends' to come by for a 'sheparding call'. That was 22 years ago and even though I miss my family I don't regret leaving the 'Highland Park' congregation of JW's in Denver CO. No love lost because they had no love to begin with.

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Anyone have the WT image of a girl clutching a teddy falling down a hole?

by veen in

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http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/wrong.htm.

misocup

I remember staring at that one. I wake up in panic mode at night, always have, maybe this is why?

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New Stupid Assembly Rules

by WTWizard in

i have heard on this discussion board numerous rules that apply to upcoming a$$emblies.

some are designed to stop people from meeting the opposite sex; others, to make sure everyone is always ready to recruit new members into the scam.

i heard that some km inserts have been urging those whose congregation has cleaning assignments to sit in the section that they are assigned to clean.

misocup

I remember as a young mother I would get up early to make breakfast and lunch to carry along. I reall really thought I was doing the good wife thing, but a MS told me I shoulnd't be bringing lunch along, I should be buying it there. I complied even though we couldn't really afford it.

We bought lunch for ourselves and the kids at the assembly and after waiting in a long line, and paying way too much for the "chicken sandwich" we sat down to eat. As I opened the sandwich, I saw it was indeed chicken, a fried chicken thigh with bone in, on ONE piece of bread. That is what I had to pick apart and feed my small children. We couldn't afford drinks, so we had water, and nothing else came with the sandwich. I was stunned and couldn't believe they did that. I never did buy lunch there again.

There was no love for the R&F.

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Norway

by InquiryMan in

in norway, the ombudsman of children s welfare intervened and a lot of fuss were made when it was made clear that jws endorsed corporal punishment in their publications even though it was banned by law.

it was even mentioned in the national news.

the coordinator was even interviewed on tv and the day after it was proven from the wt indexes that he had been lying.... i remember it was very embarrassing.

misocup

As my grandpa was known to say: The biggest room in the house is the room for improvement.

This is a great example of what is wrong with Christianity. You are taught that you are in no way "OK", you can never be "OK", and the only things you can do that are "OK" are the things dictated by the leaders.

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Norway

by InquiryMan in

in norway, the ombudsman of children s welfare intervened and a lot of fuss were made when it was made clear that jws endorsed corporal punishment in their publications even though it was banned by law.

it was even mentioned in the national news.

the coordinator was even interviewed on tv and the day after it was proven from the wt indexes that he had been lying.... i remember it was very embarrassing.

misocup

Fortunately, there are many, many Jehovah's Witnesses all over the world who do not use spanking as a means of discipline.

Thereby breaking God's law.

It's only when pressured by the outside "world" the JW's change. Then they lie and make believe it's always been that way.

When I was in the borg, one elder was very proud of the fact that he took his 6 weeks old baby in the back for a spanking.

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Watchtower--NGO With WANGO!

by Dogpatch in

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watchtower--ngo with wango!

if the watchtower society truly believes in a "new world" then why are they joining organizations that are attempting to make this old one better?

activitieswango is unique in regularly bringing together a prestigious, international leadership of non-governmental organizations, as well as other prominent leaders, representing diverse nations, perspectives, and realms of activity, and who are integrally involved in advancing world peace and creating a better society and world.

misocup

I still believe that the 10 years they did associate that they must have had some sort of agreement even to just use the library .

Yes. Does anyone know what agreement must be made to use the library?

Also, why would you trust any information contained in the books of a library run by THE BEAST? Wouldn't Satan try to corrupt it? Do they NOT believe it is Satan's organisation?

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Watchtower--NGO With WANGO!

by Dogpatch in

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watchtower--ngo with wango!

if the watchtower society truly believes in a "new world" then why are they joining organizations that are attempting to make this old one better?

activitieswango is unique in regularly bringing together a prestigious, international leadership of non-governmental organizations, as well as other prominent leaders, representing diverse nations, perspectives, and realms of activity, and who are integrally involved in advancing world peace and creating a better society and world.

misocup

A definition of NGO

http://www.gdrc.org/ngo/wb-define.html

From the horses mouth

What is an NGO?

A non-governmental organization (NGO) is a not-for-profit, voluntary citizens’ group, which is organized on a local, national or international level to address issues in support of the public good. Task-oriented and made up of people with common interests, NGOs perform a variety of services and humanitarian functions, bring citizens’ concerns to governments, monitor policy and programme implementation, and encourage participation of civil society stakeholders at the community l evel. They provide analysis and expertise, serve as early warning mechanisms, and help monitor and implement international agreements. Some are organized around specific issues, such as human rights, the environment or health. Their relationship with offices and agencies of the United Nations (UN) system differs depending on their location and their mandate.

Criteria for association with DPI

the NGO must support and respect the principles of the Charter of the UN and have a clear mission statement with those principles
the NGO must be recognized nationally or internationally
the NGO should operate solely on a not-for-profit basis and have tax-exempt status
the NGO must have the commitment and the means to conduct effective information programmes with its constituents about UN activities
the NGO should have an established record of continuity of work for a minimum of three years and should show promise of sustained activity in the future
the NGO should have a satisfactory record of collaboration with UN Information Centres/Services or other parts of the UN System prior to association
the NGO should provide an audited annual financial statement, conducted by a qualified, independent accountant
the NGO should have statutes/by-laws providing for a transparent process of making decisions, elections of officers and members

http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/criteria.asp

NGO responsibilities
Associated NGOs through their information programmes are expected to
promote knowledge of the principles and activities of the United Nations
disseminate information about the United Nations and its work to their constituencies
keep the DPI/NGO Section informed about their UN-related activities by submitting a report every four years
fill out an accreditation form every year
Please note that association of NGOs with DPI does not constitute their incorporation into the United Nations system, nor does it entitle associated organizations or their staff to any kind of privileges, immunities or special status.
http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/ngo-partnership.asp

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Watchtower--NGO With WANGO!

by Dogpatch in

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watchtower--ngo with wango!

if the watchtower society truly believes in a "new world" then why are they joining organizations that are attempting to make this old one better?

activitieswango is unique in regularly bringing together a prestigious, international leadership of non-governmental organizations, as well as other prominent leaders, representing diverse nations, perspectives, and realms of activity, and who are integrally involved in advancing world peace and creating a better society and world.

misocup

The reason this becomes an important distinction in the matter of their Associate membership is that registrations can be required by governments for all sorts of reasons but no one ever can be compelled to apply. It demonstrates unequivocally that they willingly chose to join the UN/DPI, therefore they cannot use the excuse of submission to superior authority in this matter. Their letters demonstrate an ardent desire to confuse the point of registration versus application so that they can use the excuse of submission.

Absolutely correct.

They cannot be required to become UN/DPI associates, they must PROVE eligibility AND allegiance.

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Watchtower--NGO With WANGO!

by Dogpatch in

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friends

watchtower--ngo with wango!

if the watchtower society truly believes in a "new world" then why are they joining organizations that are attempting to make this old one better?

activitieswango is unique in regularly bringing together a prestigious, international leadership of non-governmental organizations, as well as other prominent leaders, representing diverse nations, perspectives, and realms of activity, and who are integrally involved in advancing world peace and creating a better society and world.

misocup

From here on in I'm on the side that will assume the WTBTS is guilty until it can be proven otherwise .

I agree.

The guilt lies in the association with the UN/DPI. In order for an NGO to gain affiliation, they must prove their organization supports the long range goals of the UN. If it can be proven the WTS is affilited with the UN/DPI, then that is proof of WTS support for the United Nations. -You shall know them by their works-

Below is part of the letter sent to the UN from the President of the org. site I manage justifying their application and entry into the UN/DPI as affiliates/associates:

There are implicit and legitimate universal spiritual and ethical value judgments applicable to all peoples underlying the foundation of the United Nations Organization. The international community will always run into difficulties in establishing the universality of basic human rights in some nations, societies and cultures unless their particular religious or secular ideologies to accept first that there are certain extraordinary experiences which suggest the same universal human values. The right of the international community to “impose” a UN “Universal Declaration of Human Rights” or “UN Millennium Development Goals” may otherwise be challenged.

Since its foundation in 1975 the international objective of the IIIHS has been to establish among leading scholars, scientists, and religious leaders from many nations the acceptance of the fact that there have been strong spiritual motivations which are common to all peoples, and cultures. These common spiritual motivations justifiably and correctly – lie behind the “Universal Declaration of Human Rights” of the United Nations, and the present movement to establish and achieve the current UN Millennium Development Goals.

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Watchtower--NGO With WANGO!

by Dogpatch in

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friends

watchtower--ngo with wango!

if the watchtower society truly believes in a "new world" then why are they joining organizations that are attempting to make this old one better?

activitieswango is unique in regularly bringing together a prestigious, international leadership of non-governmental organizations, as well as other prominent leaders, representing diverse nations, perspectives, and realms of activity, and who are integrally involved in advancing world peace and creating a better society and world.

misocup

I know it's a picky thing, but too many people say the the WTS became a member of the United Nations. No...only national governments can become a member of the UN, just as only NGOs can become an associate member of the UN/DPI
If we are going to try to reason with family/friends that the WTS is hypocritical by using its involvement with the UN/DPI, we need to get our facts straight and we need to use the correct language in describing the affliation.

I agree with this. I developed a website for a affiliate of the UN/NGO/DPI. The application process was quite involved for them. They had to document how they support the goals of the United Nations. It's not a simple little thing becoming an associate. Does anyone have access to the application process? It may be helpful to post it somewhere.

Being a member of the UN - Governments

Being an affiliate/associate member of the UN/DPI - Non Governmental, but supportive of the United Nations goals.