So, the last few threads I've written have been about telling your families and friends how you feel; many of you have given me the reasons you don't speak out to your families, but I want to tell you the main reason you should. Please let me explain....
I keep on stressing this point because how it makes you feel, I'm telling you all, that for over 19 years, I let information about my thoughts out slowly, then the tipping point... at my Uncle's funeral 2 February's ago, while listening to my family pontificate at dinner about who so and so is pioneering and the like, it hit me that I was sick to the core of them throwing their bullisi*t beliefs at me like I was inferior or something. I mean... wtf?
I realized that I was allowing myself to be abused, that's right! Abused! It's abusive how our families treat us over this religion. And do you really believe they actually believe this rubbish? Do they not have even the slightest doubt? Then I realized. They don't know... they are kept from knowing.
Books like the Proclaimer's and the like tell lies about JW history, some damned body has to tell the truth! So basically, if I was the only one that knew the truth, and I didn't tell it for whatever reason, then I was allowing my family to suffer. But get this main point here, I was also allowing my ignorant family members to try and make me feel as an inferior, that's right, an inferior for my intelligence... so the ignorant should rule, they should make the rules for the future of this family? Hell no!
And make sure you understand this point, I was sick of those foolish bastards trying to make me feel bad, for years I've suffered from depression, I've drank too much, and basically I've almost lost my mind about 100 times trying to figure out why the freaking hell they can't see reality? I WASN'T GOING TO TAKE THAT SHIT ANY LONGER, I'D HAD ENOUGH...!
Call it crazy, call me crazy, call it what you want, but something pushed me over the edge that day! It was then I became the man I am today, I started healing after I wrote those letters to my family... I had the power... don't you guys get it? If you continue to take the abuse you take from these fools, then you're just continuing the cycle, you're still letting the faithful and dumb ass slave have some amount of control of you. Take away all their freaking power, you now have that same power. Use it for the good, use it to free your family and loved ones.
When you confront a JW, you now act like it's the JW that's a fool, something wrong with them, reverse the psycology.
I'll leave with this, it does something to your personal healing if you make a stand, you know you're right, you know the JW leadership are liars... It heals you to say those words out loud, to not be afraid anymore, to not be ashamed anymore, to say what you know for a damned fact is true. It says that your thoughts are as good as any man's/wo... and god damned it they are! It's your family that's wrong... don't give them a pass when they refuse to give you one.
My mother told her sister the reason she didn't know what I've been up to is because I now live so far away that we seldom talk... that was a damned lie! A damned lie you hear me? That means she's embarrassed! That means she knows HER god damned actions are deplorable, in the recesses of her mind she knows that she's acting like a fool and she's so ashamed that she's acting that way she won't tell her baptist sister. LOL!
And what does that tell you all? It's we that have the truth is what it tells us, we that have the power and we're letting fools have that power by our silence! They are afraid of us... they are afraid of us jerking that world from under their feet, but deep inside they know, they know but fear... fear losing that happy Gilmore girl in the panties scene by the lake world they've created in their minds. And what makes it worse is they know, and yet they fear so much they can't see the beauty of it all... the absolute fact that life is a great thing, and the fact we don't know for a fact that we don't know what happens when we die doesn't make the life we have now, here and now that much more sweeter!
But they lie to their sisters rather than defend their horrific position, the position of a family member "shunning" their son because he don't buy into the rubbish the WTBTS sells... absolute shit is what they're selling! And our families know it, yes, they know it my friends.. deep inside, the rubbish they read day in and day out has to have an effect, and they fear you because you know it... and what does that mean?
It means that deep inside they know that you're right and they're wrong. If they thought they were right they'd not lie to their Baptist sisters! LOL! I don't lie when I'm freaking right, i lie when I'm wrong!
Do you all realize that we have the power to end this thing?
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60OK, let me explain....
by dawg inso, the last few threads i've written have been about telling your families and friends how you feel; many of you have given me the reasons you don't speak out to your families, but i want to tell you the main reason you should.
please let me explain.... .
i keep on stressing this point because how it makes you feel, i'm telling you all, that for over 19 years, i let information about my thoughts out slowly, then the tipping point... at my uncle's funeral 2 february's ago, while listening to my family pontificate at dinner about who so and so is pioneering and the like, it hit me that i was sick to the core of them throwing their bullisi*t beliefs at me like i was inferior or something.
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My Sister Finally Called Me... After My JW Brother Completely Told Her Off
by cognac inwell, for those that don't know the story, here's a quick recap.
my sister, mom, and dad felt i was an apostate, freaked out on me, then went to the elders and ratted me out.
i haven't spoken to her in about 2 months because i didn't like the way that she treated me.
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Can't you see the walls crumbling? Good job Cognac my old buddy.
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Don't want to hurt your parents/famly's feelings huh?
by dawg ini've read where many of you have posted that you "don't want to hurt family members feelings" and that's the reason you don't come clean about how you feel as far as the jw's go.
i was wondering if it ever dawned on you who think like this how you still are being abused mentally by both this religion and your family by worrying about their feelings while they have total disregard for your thoughts and/or feelings?
i've never told a family member how they must think for me to talk to them; never hounded a family member to come to a meeting they have clearly shown they don't want to attend.
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Aphrodite, I'm glad you could come clean and suffer no injury... good luck
Page... Rush the rest of us or something like that? What? Read the above once again, I'm not talking about rushing, I'm saying being too afraid to speak your minds. Look once again at the way it all worked out for me, it took me years but I always spoke up to a point, I did so until I got to the point that I could =see the methods I was using was having no effect, then I broke completely clean. -
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State truthful facts about Xians that make them look bad, weird, foolish
by nvrgnbk inyou don't need to exaggerate the foibles of xians to get the point across that they are not "the truth".
can you state some facts that show that xians are not "normal'' and that their religion is weird?.
does this make sense to you, minimus?
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And yet again Burns proves a point I made previously... this is why I do no like many Christians, they speak with a double tongue. Burns writes...
"My beliefs are at the core of who I am. Your thread does not invite a reasonable discussion, but ridicule instead. Even the newbie gets it."
I've tried on several occasions to get Christians, Burns in particular to see that rational discussions about evolution cannot include the quoting of scriptures or the introduction of a god figure into the conversation.... the reason? You can't prove there is a God so making dogmatic statements concerning his existence (saying what God wants for instance) makes the person doing so look foolish.
Burns hem hawed, jumped around and dilly dallied about throwing lines about the Christos into a rational conversation, tried to act like that wasn't what he meant... now we get the above quote... The real answer .
What makes Christian look bad? They defend this foolish belief to the core, even when their cornered they won't come clean... So, why do many of attack Christianity? I can talk to any rational person about anything, but once I've proven a point beyond all shadow of a doubt, and then the person I'm talking to won't concede and then makes up falsehoods to defend their position, That reminds me of JW land. Then they make it worse by always, and I freaking mean always, attacking character. -
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Don't want to hurt your parents/famly's feelings huh?
by dawg ini've read where many of you have posted that you "don't want to hurt family members feelings" and that's the reason you don't come clean about how you feel as far as the jw's go.
i was wondering if it ever dawned on you who think like this how you still are being abused mentally by both this religion and your family by worrying about their feelings while they have total disregard for your thoughts and/or feelings?
i've never told a family member how they must think for me to talk to them; never hounded a family member to come to a meeting they have clearly shown they don't want to attend.
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Yea Gilead, I have a complete file tucked somewhere in this brain of other topics...LOL! I just want this to end and can see that it's foundation is crumbing, I really believe that we can destroy this religion with a united front.
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Wish Me Luck II
by IP_SEC inwell i decided to buy a powerball ticket again.. so wish me luck and share in the weath.
so easy its sick!!.
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dawg
I wish you nothing, I'm playing too.
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Don't want to hurt your parents/famly's feelings huh?
by dawg ini've read where many of you have posted that you "don't want to hurt family members feelings" and that's the reason you don't come clean about how you feel as far as the jw's go.
i was wondering if it ever dawned on you who think like this how you still are being abused mentally by both this religion and your family by worrying about their feelings while they have total disregard for your thoughts and/or feelings?
i've never told a family member how they must think for me to talk to them; never hounded a family member to come to a meeting they have clearly shown they don't want to attend.
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I enjoyed your answers one and all...
Oompa, total disregard may have been harsh and used wrongly... but it is disregardful of what someone else feels to ignore what they have to say, I can't imagine having friends that won't listen to what I think.
Chosinglife-all my family is in this bullsh5t religion, I feel I owe it to the many lives that follow to speak out.
All, I didn't just come out guns blaring, but moved slowly... after many years of dropping hints, writing letters and getting no where, then I came out full force. Some in the family agreed with me, while others started shunning. It's what I expected. -
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Feeling really sad and missing my family.
by Aphrodite ini really feel i have no one to turn to who understands other than you guys of course.
i'm just really sad and crying a lot and missing my whole extended familly who are all witnesses.
i basicly have me my husband and two kids and my 2 sisters who are out.
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You could always turn back to Jehovah and his spirit guided organization....LOL!
I know how you feel, I miss my family really badly sometimes, but they usually say something like what I said above and then I realize how much better off i am without those loons.
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When U Read The Society's "Direction" Now, What Goes Thru Your Mind?
by minimus ini can right now only think of one thing---bullsh*t.
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Someone said this perfectly for me...
"what the F%&k was I thinking?"
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update...husband made appt. with the elders, what do you think of this?....
by New light for you inok... so my husband felt bad that the elders wanted to meet with us and he wasn't responding... so he set it up for saturday at 2 even though everyone said dont meet with them.
oh ya, and everyone said not to meet with them at your house, but again, he didn't want to rock the boat.
it's funny, though he was the first one to leave, he's still afraid and doesn't want to "raise any red flags" he's willing to just say "we're discouraged, can you just leave us alone fora while" feel free to yell at him (robert7).. here's the thing.
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I wouldn't want my good name to be associated with a gaggle of fools, I think Robert's right, make this meeting a place where you can state the reasons why you are certain the FADFS is full of baloney, and then clear your good name from this group of fools... you'll be free once and for all, and I promise, it'll make you so happy that you let them know they have no power over you.
When they leave your home, they'll usually say something to the effect of you surviving Armageddon and the like, tell them you don't serve a man made organization like they do and you have nothing to fear from your loving creator.