You can order a cassette tape of this talk from Commentary Press, the same place that publishes Ray Franz' COC and ISOCF.
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Need audo of Franz Gilead Grad speach debunking Gov Body
by Wasanelder Once inhey everyone,.
where can i find a copy of the talk that freddy gave at gilead graduation attacking the idea of a gov body?
here is the link to the transcript, http://www.freeminds.org/history/franzorg1976.htm i want to use it in a video.. i tried the e-mail address at the bottome of the page but its dead.. thanks.. w.once.
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Were you or someone you know sexually molested by a Jehovah's Witness ?
by flipper indue to the fact there are about 27,000 members of this religion that are known pedophiles, and the information about it is kept in a secret database file, i wonder how many lurking jw's as well as others are aware of the severity of this problem?
remember, it's 27,000 pedophiles that they know about.
what about the thousands that don't get caught?
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About 16 yrs ago when I was an elder, a mother of a 3 yr old accused her husband of molesting their own daughter. Both active JW. I remember being perplexed as to what to do. The testimony of the mother was convincing. The denial of the father was convincing. Our hands were tied because there were not 2 witnesses. She had the courage to pursue the matter legally. The court required supervised visits with the father. She kicked him out of the house. Looking back I am so happy she had the balls (pardon the Fench) to do the right thing. She turned out to be the sweetest girl on the planet and recently got married. Bottom line: no congregational was taken.
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Hi all, I've been lurking.........
by jibberish inhello, i've been lurking for a few months now.
like many others here i've been through quite a bit lately, and what i've learned (thanks to jwd) is very eye opening to say the least.
will write my story when i have time.
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Hi Jibberish. Thanks for sharing your story and welcome to the board. I am going to PM you because your experience may help me relate to my own daughter.
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Looking For A New Church
by lehighjoe inbeing raised as a jw is a double edged sword.
on one hand, you get a phenominal boot-camp education on the bible, what it means, how to use it in your life (even long after leaving the society).
on the other hand, it makes looking for a new home-church a bit of a challenge.
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It seems to me the key question is: Are the people you are going to associate with, whether socially or in worship, living the Sermon on the Mount? In other words, Is there Christian fruitage? "By THIS all will know you are my disciples..."
As far as doctrine is concerned, I have found it's important to be open to the idea that what I was taught as a JW may not best represent what the Scriptures teach anyway. For example, IMO the Scriptures show that Jesus is not Jehovah but is far more than a created angel. Since no human or group is ever going to get it 100% right isn't it more important to recognize the genuine love for God and neighbor in our fellow Christian?
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My Story
by Missanna inok for some reason i can't sleep tonight and feel like writing so i'm gonna tell my story of how i got to this point.
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ahhhhm.
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WOW! I couldn't sleep and popped on here and what a great story Missanna. Thank you sharing. I love the freedom we have here to speak from our hearts and you certainly do that. I wish I had more people IRL to do that with. Best wishes Skeptic1914
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It is done...Meet with Elders tomorrow
by Sacchiel inthe time has come.
i shared with my mom the wondrous hope that is jesus.
with my toungue i confessed jesus is my lord to the glory of god the father.
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Happy to see someone who has not just seen the Borg for what it is but has come to the Lord Jesus Christ!
You are in good hands. (Rom.8:31-38)
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She finally passed away
by LovesDubs inmy brother called me yesterday from california and told me his dear wife had finally passed away at 9:40 pst.
she fought long and hard and didnt go easily into the night.
if god wanted her home she wasnt going to go without a fight!
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Lovedubs, my condolences. My Mom just passed way last week.
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When men think they are the "Kingdom of God"
by Doug Mason inin his book kingdom of god, john bright writes the following:.
although the new testament teaches us that the people of christs kingdom are his obedient followers, his church, there is never the slightest hint that the visibly existing church can either be or produce that kingdom.. there is no tendency in the new testament to identify the visible church with the kingdom of god.. the church that makes such an identification will soon begin to invite god to endorse its own very human policies and practices, will equate the people of god with those nice people who share its particular beliefs and participate in its services, and will reckon the advance of the kingdom in terms of its numerical growth.
but it will not be the new testament church!.
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The church that makes such an identification will soon begin to invite God to endorse its own very human policies and practices, will equate the people of God with those nice people who share its particular beliefs and participate in its services, and will reckon the advance of the Kingdom in terms of its numerical growth.
Interesting stuff DM. Thanks for sharing.
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Cicuit Overseer and District Overseer came looking for me today............
by RULES & REGULATIONS inlast week was the 2 day assembly.i didn't go to either one.
today,my mom called and told me the the c.o.
and d.o.came for a visit.i've been attending only once a week and no field service in about 4 years.
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Last week was the 2 day assembly.I didn't go to either one.
I've been attending only once a week and no field service in about 4 years.
My cong's CA was this past weekend too. You don't go to Queens, NY Assy Hall by any chance? Actually I wasn't there either because my Mom had just died. Actually the reason I've been going to ANY meetings for past couple of years has been so as not to complicate matters with my Mom in ill health (she was a wdow, living alone and I am the only living child). It has paid off because now that she has died all the [conditional] "friends" have been able to interact with me because I'm not OFFICIALLY out of the org. So you need to consider the consequences of a mtg w/CO & DO. At this point I would LOVE to meet with them. Skeptic1914
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Reunited With My Disfellowshipped Daughter Today
by skeptic1914 inlong story short: my daugher was df'd about 7-8 yrs ago.
bitter and resentful toward me, abusive jw ex-husb and the elders that didn't want to listen to her side.
saw her briefly at my younger daughter's wedding in 2003.. my mom died last week.
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Given that you and your wife are out of the organization
An assumption my dear Jim. My wife still claims to believe its the "truth" but has been inactive for over a year. I have been inactive for over 3 yrs and the elders know I'm not buying the "Brooklyn" Bridge. So far they have tolerated me. We have been going to most Sunday meetings. So we are not OUT....yet.
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