iconoclastic
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Elusive happiness teaches a hidden truth!
by iconoclastic inmany seek happiness externally and many a time assign others the possession of their happiness.
when they derive a sort of happiness from external sources, they dont feel satisfied, hence jump to the next and then to the next .... in contrast, jesus said gods kingdom (or real happiness) is within (entos) you.
this cannot be misinterpreted as jesus being the king of the kingdom was amidst them as jws do.
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Elusive happiness teaches a hidden truth!
by iconoclastic inmany seek happiness externally and many a time assign others the possession of their happiness.
when they derive a sort of happiness from external sources, they dont feel satisfied, hence jump to the next and then to the next .... in contrast, jesus said gods kingdom (or real happiness) is within (entos) you.
this cannot be misinterpreted as jesus being the king of the kingdom was amidst them as jws do.
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Cofty,
There is a solution. Until now you have only heard from others. Now experiment yourself, just like a scientist does. Be seated in a comfortable posture. Withdraw your mind within—and you will experience your sixth sense (intuition) beginning to manifest itself, and will also find yourself pulled towards the vastness of your soul, the immaterial substratum of your physical body. You will gradually lose sight of all mental and physical boundaries. At this time you will feel like a person on his first airplane flight leaving behind all customary landmarks and soaring into a wall-less space. Keep going till you get linked with your Heavenly Father. Have a sweet conversation with Him. You will come back fully convinced that you are a spirit being in this physical body, and there is a loving heavenly Father, the Supreme Soul, who helps those seeking Him and wanting to know the truth.
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Elusive happiness teaches a hidden truth!
by iconoclastic inmany seek happiness externally and many a time assign others the possession of their happiness.
when they derive a sort of happiness from external sources, they dont feel satisfied, hence jump to the next and then to the next .... in contrast, jesus said gods kingdom (or real happiness) is within (entos) you.
this cannot be misinterpreted as jesus being the king of the kingdom was amidst them as jws do.
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Dear doofdaddy & Saintbertholdt, Be realistic, no one will dare to come here to recruit. Even if anyone does dare to come with that intent, he will never come again when he receives the kind of comments I receive. Hence I am sorry to say that you are behaving like a person who eats banana skin, throwing the banana into the trash-box.
However see the wise attitude shown by Ruby456 some days before, on my post on DEATH IS NOT SOMETHING TO BE FEARED:
“btw I am not a supporter of either Carl Sagan or iconoclastic. I just like reading about such debates and the different ideas they generate as most of this occupies a controversial arena which can enrich us.”
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Elusive happiness teaches a hidden truth!
by iconoclastic inmany seek happiness externally and many a time assign others the possession of their happiness.
when they derive a sort of happiness from external sources, they dont feel satisfied, hence jump to the next and then to the next .... in contrast, jesus said gods kingdom (or real happiness) is within (entos) you.
this cannot be misinterpreted as jesus being the king of the kingdom was amidst them as jws do.
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iconoclastic
Due to power-failure signal, I had to stop abruptly. Hence here is an addendum:
When I did my marine engineering, one of my professors was a visionary. He instilled in me the above line of reasoning. He used to say that in his native tongue, the word for good conduct is sadachar which is a combination of two words (sada = always + char = performing something with 100% involvement). Such action is naturally good and effective and one who performs action in this manner is always happy, he is in kingdom of God—something that Jesus too implied.
He also said that the word for coconut is nariyal (from the root nar, man) which means both—man and coconut—have some things in common. Coconut has three eyes—two are useless and one real through which the sprouting happens. Similarly, man has two eyes which are in a sense useless as they are capable of seeing only the superficial, and has one inner eye of understanding that sees the eternal (essence) behind the ephemeral (details). One who sees himself as eternal spirit in material body, he will also see others as eternal spirits in material bodies—which would mean he would always see good in others and do good to others, and will never harm others and feel that no can harm him either. Also, coconut has a hard shell which symbolizes ego in man. When it receives a hard hit, the shell is broken—sweet water flows. So are with people—when they receive a hard hit, their ego is broken—after that sweet behaviour starts freely flowing. Thus egoless living means kingdom of God. This explains custom of breaking the coconut before house-warming ceremony which symbolizes the concept that “from now onward members of this family will live without ego bringing sweet behaviour.”
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The Governing Body and "Josephs generation"
by The freewheeling inhi, i m new here and not so good in english, but ive give it a try and hope you understand.. .
the whole idea of the overlapped generation is not only illogical, there are also serious errors in reasoning and how to interpret the scripture.. .
the only "scriptural argument" that the governing body has managed to bring in this matter is exodus 1: 6 where they say that a "generation" can be stretched to cover a longer period than usually meant by a "generation".
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iconoclastic
Welcome to the forum. Nice post.
When Jesus used the word "generation", he was speaking to his disciples who were not linguistic scholars, hence would mean only what the world means for the common man. There is no scope for interpretation and to lengthen the meaning of the word "generation."
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Elusive happiness teaches a hidden truth!
by iconoclastic inmany seek happiness externally and many a time assign others the possession of their happiness.
when they derive a sort of happiness from external sources, they dont feel satisfied, hence jump to the next and then to the next .... in contrast, jesus said gods kingdom (or real happiness) is within (entos) you.
this cannot be misinterpreted as jesus being the king of the kingdom was amidst them as jws do.
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Many seek happiness externally and many a time assign others the possession of their happiness. When they derive a sort of happiness from external sources, they don’t feel satisfied, hence jump to the next and then to the next …. In contrast, Jesus said God’s kingdom (or real happiness) is “within (entos)” you. This cannot be misinterpreted as ‘Jesus being the king of the Kingdom was amidst them’ as JWs do. Jesus used the same Greek word when he said: “You cleanse the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside (entos) they are full of plunder.”
When the disciples took Kingdom as outside, they lost all their peace; because they were scheming to become number one in that supposedly external kingdom—two of them even used their mother to influence Jesus to assign them cherished positions in the kingdom with one being as Jesus’ right hand and the other his left hand. And this took a worse turn when Jesus left the earthly scene with each one setting up his own kingdom—saying “I belong to Paul, but I belong to Apollos, but I to Cephas”—a never-ending journey that continues even today with over 41000 sects with each one claiming ‘we only are the true church’ (among whom JWs is just an insignificant sand).
One can easily prove kingdom of God is within himself/herself. You will experience real happiness when you try to correct yourself (but unhappiness results when you try to correct others). You will experience real happiness when you compete with yourself (but unhappiness results when you try to compete with others). If you are moderate in your desires you are really happy, but when you want things more than what is called basic luxuries, you lose your happiness as it is ego that steps in (as it also incites envy in others which would bring problems one after the other). Enormous money and possessions do not ensure happiness. Look at the condition of the Gulf countries towards which money flows from other countries. Even their wealthy kings do not sleep in peace. Look at the increased number of psychiatrists in the world’s wealthy countries.
Man’s life is a paradox. He is the eternal spirit within (which is the copy of the Supreme Spirit), which can be satisfied only with divine pleasures; yet bodily incarnate, he is familiar only with sensory experiences. True happiness unfolds from within when one is in harmony with truth—primarily in harmony with the truth about himself that he is an immaterial reality residing in the material body (as this helps him to choose wisely between the real soul pleasures and the illusory pleasures of the senses. When one thinks that he is this body, he limits himself to a particular body, and it is pitiably cabined, cribbed, and confined, and experiences highs (when body is healthy) and downs (when body is tired or begins to age) and also gets affected proportionately by the external changes.
Thus elusive happiness experienced on the global scale is a reminder that one should return to his original nature that he is a spirit in this body, and seek spirit’s nature (which is giving, not about receiving). God, the Supreme Spirit, is the teacher, and He sends His message (free of cost) every day through his sun which gives us light and heat which means one should live as though he is an enlightenment and empowerment to others. In other words, sun is known for giving (not for receiving). Happiness unfolds in giving (rather than in receiving)
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Where is this evil spirit from?
by iconoclastic inmany believe in the wonderful drama of evolution (life evolving from non-life through flower/fruit beautiful trees and variety of species, reaching homo sapiens and finally returning to non-life) through various processes such as mutation, adaptation, natural selection .... yet there is an evil spirit working against the very spirit of the evolution, producing ironical results in too large a scale.
to mention a few:.
1) the really superior beings are kept sidelined (http://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2015/07/17-ways-that-science-proves-women-are-superior-to-men/).
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When something good and reasonable is mentioned/asked, you escape attributing it to BK. Instead, why can't you try for answer/comments? -
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Where is this evil spirit from?
by iconoclastic inmany believe in the wonderful drama of evolution (life evolving from non-life through flower/fruit beautiful trees and variety of species, reaching homo sapiens and finally returning to non-life) through various processes such as mutation, adaptation, natural selection .... yet there is an evil spirit working against the very spirit of the evolution, producing ironical results in too large a scale.
to mention a few:.
1) the really superior beings are kept sidelined (http://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2015/07/17-ways-that-science-proves-women-are-superior-to-men/).
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iconoclastic
I liked the way you, Saintbertholdt, reviewed my comments—manly. Regarding your question: Then why are you such a skeptic when it comes to evolution?
Because evolution theory is too inadequate to explain simple questions such as:
How did matter get so perfectly organized? Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing? When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter? When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself? With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce? How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? What can similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator or a common ancestor? If you say a common ancestor, then you will find it very difficult to explain ensuing question: Which evolved first (how, and how long, did it work without the others)?
a. The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)?
b. The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce?
c. The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs?
d. DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts?
e. The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose?
f. The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants?
g. The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones?
h. The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system?
i. The immune system or the need for it? …….. How did photosynthesis evolve? How did thought evolve? How did flowering plants evolve, and from what, and for whom to see and appreciate those beautiful flowers? List would go endless
Thus religions nor evolution are the answer.
Avoid harm, and Do good to yourself and others, and enjoy the surprise which is in store-- is my philosophy.
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Where is this evil spirit from?
by iconoclastic inmany believe in the wonderful drama of evolution (life evolving from non-life through flower/fruit beautiful trees and variety of species, reaching homo sapiens and finally returning to non-life) through various processes such as mutation, adaptation, natural selection .... yet there is an evil spirit working against the very spirit of the evolution, producing ironical results in too large a scale.
to mention a few:.
1) the really superior beings are kept sidelined (http://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2015/07/17-ways-that-science-proves-women-are-superior-to-men/).
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Saintbertholdt you are asking:
Why do you equate the existence of God with whether evolution is true or not?
The question, “Does God exist?“ has three possible answers: (1) Yes; (2) Maybe; (3) No. Since no one can prove or disprove the existence of God, all three answers may be right -for respective followers. I believe that I the spirit in me is eternal (3:11) and returns to God at the death of my physical apparatus (Eccl 12:7), reside with my God in heaven for some time, then come to earth and reside for some time (Mathew 11:14) and again return to God only to repeat it all over again (Ecc 1:9). Proof for this is that I came through my parents (not from them) who in turn came through their parents—and it goes backward infinitely.Just seeing with physical eyes are not enough, we should also use the eye of understanding. Ask another question: “Does the world really exist?“ You may say you can see the world. However, just because we can see the world and experience it with our bodily senses, can we say it `exists' as solid as rock, as liquid as water, as gas as air …..? What is the definition of existence? Are our bodily senses so completely reliable for us to say that the world `exists'? When we are seeing a dream, the dream world does seem real for the duration of the dream. We can see it and our senses experience it as if it is `real'. But when we wake up, we say the dream wasn't real! It seems everything is relative to a certain state of consciousness we are in. So, even the so-called real world exists only in the kind of consciousness we have in our waking state. What if we are awakened to another state of consciousness of different plane/dimension. Ths is not to say that this world is not real, but to show the limitations of our physical senses which some of the people view them as ultimate source of knowledge/experience.
Your second question to me: Why do you insist on a literal interpretation of Genesis with two naked teenagers in a botanical garden and a talking snake?
I do not take the Genesis account of creation which is the fabrication of later writers, according to Jeremiah 7:22; 8:8
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Where is this evil spirit from?
by iconoclastic inmany believe in the wonderful drama of evolution (life evolving from non-life through flower/fruit beautiful trees and variety of species, reaching homo sapiens and finally returning to non-life) through various processes such as mutation, adaptation, natural selection .... yet there is an evil spirit working against the very spirit of the evolution, producing ironical results in too large a scale.
to mention a few:.
1) the really superior beings are kept sidelined (http://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2015/07/17-ways-that-science-proves-women-are-superior-to-men/).
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Saintbertholdt,
In the US, how many women presidents do we have? Why not even one so far in its "239 years" of history?