Posts by Eyebrow

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Judicial Elder wisdom LOL

by Shane in

i got to go into the star chamber a few years ago, i remember when the elders handling the my case told me and they all seemed to be in agreement with stupid remark: " now bro., i want you to go out and do everything you always wanted to do, and get it out of your system before you come back to us wanting reinstatement!

i was disgusted, i said: wait just a dam min your all supposed to encourage me not to sin and guide me inn ways of righteousness, instead your telling me to go out and sin?

i then said: "something's not right here, if there is a god someone will pay one day for mistreating one of his sheep.. question friends has anyone ever had the borg mp's ever say that to you?

Eyebrow

Ahhhh.....I getcha now.
Methinks I read and post too much in the wee hours. Maybe if I had read the post during normal hours my brain would have processed it.

Sorry for being so literal! =) It is my automatic JW response, hahah!

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falling in love

by kid B in

ok, heres my story.... i am 21 years old, male, and i am not a j.w., but i have hopelessly fallen in love with one.

unfortuntately, i do not believe what she believes in (i use the word unfortuntately because i wish i could believe, but i cant and it tears me apart).

i'm sure that this has happened a million times before, and you guys probably hear about it a lot, but i'm finding it very difficult to deal with, since she has also fallen deeply in love with me, but she feels like the only option is to let it go.

Eyebrow

Regarding Stacey's remark,

Baggage? Yes...hmmm in the Samsonite league! I have been married for a few years now and I still am dealing with the baggage. I am lucky that my husband, although he does not understand all what I still go through with leaving, he takes my word for it and does his best to support me.

This baggage that many (if not most) of the JW women get stuck with is because they are taught it is natural. If you do not feel guilty about certain things, you ain't being a good christian. My mother lives and breathes "the truth" and is a saintly woman...I don't agree with everything she believes or does, but she is one of the JWs that make them look good. I was raised to believe if you are in the faith you LIVE the faith. So I never really lived the double life that so many talked about. When I finally left it was cold turkey, and very difficult. Yet, I am proud of the fact that I never lead a double life, and do not profess to be a JW today, not even to my family that are still in. Why lie? If this sounds self righteous, I apologize. This is just a personal thing for me...since so many of the JW friends I had as a teenager and adult that were lauded on the platform were screwing around. Once I made the decision to finally leave, I could honestly tell myself it was because I didn't agree with the teachings and hypocrsy...not because I wanted to celebrate holidays or get laid.

(yes...I did stray when I was a teenager, but stopped going to meetings, was not baptised at that time and NEVER presented my self as a Witness. Those with a double life go to the meetings and act all christian there, and have a totally different face for the "world". )

Please be careful. Others have mentioned that you are responsible for your own spiritual life. This is so true. There is much more to life than being in love. You have to be true to yourself, or you are not much good to anyone.

One last bit of mumbo from me: for anyone that is getting involved with an inactive witness...find out just how inactive that person is. Is her/his family witnesses? Is he still going to meetings? Is this person planning on going back? You cannot see the future, but you should be able to get picture of how life will be for you in the future if the person you plan to marry does decide to go back. Don't enter the relationship unawares.

There is something said for people marrying those who are in the same faith. It can make several things easier. But I wouldn't recommend anyone new to JWs to getting married to one until after they have been baptised for a few YEARS. You never get how everything really is as a newbie.

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Could you please read this?

by ethan in

this may take a while to explain, but if you read through and respond i'd appreciate it.

i became best friends with a jw about two years ago.

we were the best of friends.

Eyebrow

Kes,

There has never been anything from the WTS that allows elders to DF someone just because they married out of the faith. It would be for fornication, etc. I have known a few that have married nonbelievers and were never DFd. I am one of those people. Although I walked away a few months before I met my husband, I never disassociated myself or and was never DFd. And I live near several elders, my family whom are witnesses, etc.

I do remember that about 10 years ago they announced at a district convention that it probably would happen one day that marrying outside of the faith would be a DF offense. Unless they can prove fornication or another offense, elders cannot just boot you for marrying outside the faith. In the case of a married person getting disfellowshiped for leaving his/her spouse...that is because if there is no evidence of adultery on the part of the spouse you leave, the person is believed to have committed adultery. In other words, if your husband is a mean bastard that beats you, but never cheats on you, and you leave him, you are not supposed to remarry if he never commits fornication. Even if you remarry and did not commit premarital sex with your new spouse, you can be DF for adultery/fornication. There are a lot of divorced devout witnesses that are waiting around for there ex's to get caught fornicating or remarrying so they can get on with their lives. I personally know of one brother that told his ex that he had committed adultery so she be scripturally free to remarry again after the divorce....even though it was a lie. He got DF'd.

Very sad situation...

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Paul Berry Found Guilty!!!!!!!!!!

by ARoarer in

yessss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he was taken away in handcuffs, and dateline got the whole thing.

watchtower is tarnished.

Eyebrow

All I am is saying is that I believe that one witness was sincere in believing what she was saying about him...not that she was right. I gotta tell you, if anything like that was said about someone that was my friend, I would go right to the wife and ask her if it was true. I do doubt that happened.

She probably is in denial...true, but my point is that people cannot ever truly know what goes on behind close doors.

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Seriously: Was this board for active JWs??

by Eyebrow in

jw
friends

i have rarely found anything written by active jws here.

it causes me to wonder if this was actually set up by an active jw and got out of hand.

especially since the site asks us not to stumble our brothers.. ooooo....i have been warned about evil boards like this!!

Eyebrow

MLM=Multi Level Marketing...like Amway, Shaklee, Maleuka, etc...I only mentioned it because I know so many witnesses that have thought that MLM businesses were the way to work for themselves and not to have a secular boss.

Simon, sorry if I gave you the impression that I felt this was a devious board. It is just that I remember when people starting spending more time on the internet that we were strongly warned at the meetings about staying away from any boards, sites, etc., that were not officially associated with the WTS. I still have to fight off the programmed guilt reflex every time I read anything that is not from the WTS about witnesses.

It makes me glad that there ARE active witnesses reading and posting. While I chose to fade away, the one thing that has bothered me is when people who have never been witnesses automatically lump all JWs together. There is such a strong warning against reading apostate lits, that I honestly thought before I ever started looking at a board such as this that there would be few, if any active witnesses.

Thanks for all the replies!

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Pioneer School Book

by Eyebrow in

ever since i was a kid i wanted to be a pioneer and go to pioneer school.

i remember how every summer a crop of pioneers would come back all excited from the school with a "pioneer book" that no one was allowed to read except pioneers that had gone to school.

seriously, even as an adult a good friend of mine would not even let me take a peak, as it was taboo.

Eyebrow

Thanks for all the answers...it sounds like what I thought it would be.

It is wierd that you were not allowed to see your publisher record. It was encouraged in the congregation I grew up in to ask to see it.

Oooo...I would love to see the Elder's book. (I am just like a little kid...if I ain't supposed to see it, I want to see it even more!)

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Pioneer School Book

by Eyebrow in

ever since i was a kid i wanted to be a pioneer and go to pioneer school.

i remember how every summer a crop of pioneers would come back all excited from the school with a "pioneer book" that no one was allowed to read except pioneers that had gone to school.

seriously, even as an adult a good friend of mine would not even let me take a peak, as it was taboo.

Eyebrow

Ever since I was a kid I wanted to be a pioneer and go to pioneer school. I remember how every summer a crop of pioneers would come back all excited from the school with a "pioneer book" that no one was allowed to read except pioneers that had gone to school. Seriously, even as an adult a good friend of mine would not even let me take a peak, as it was taboo.

That always bothered me. If the pioneers were the ones that were spiritually stronger than the average publisher, why did they get to have an extra book to help them?

Can anyone give me an idea? or post any of a past pioneer book???

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Paul Berry Found Guilty!!!!!!!!!!

by ARoarer in

yessss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he was taken away in handcuffs, and dateline got the whole thing.

watchtower is tarnished.

Eyebrow

This is the guy in NH that was already found guilty. The two daughters have now filed suit against the local congregation and the WTS.

Interestingly, I personally know one of the people that gave a personal recommondation for him at his sentancing hearing. She is a very sweet, sincere person. It just goes to show that you can never know what is going on behind closed doors. If she really knew what was happening she would never had testified on his behalf.

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Is there proof that............

by deceit in

jw
friends

in the bible times, men 'could'/'did' shave their faces?.

the question comes from a conversation with my father (elder).

he says the reason why all men had beards was that they could not shave them because there wasnt anything sharp enough.. i am sure their swords were sharp enough alone to do it.. (he is very against people growing beards, i guess it pisses him off that i've got a goedee now hehe)

Eyebrow

What I want to know is why I used to get an evil look for not shaving my legs?heehee

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Seriously: Was this board for active JWs??

by Eyebrow in

jw
friends

i have rarely found anything written by active jws here.

it causes me to wonder if this was actually set up by an active jw and got out of hand.

especially since the site asks us not to stumble our brothers.. ooooo....i have been warned about evil boards like this!!

Eyebrow

I have rarely found anything written by active JWs here. It causes me to wonder if this was actually set up by an active JW and got out of hand. Especially since the site asks us not to stumble our brothers.

Ooooo....I have been warned about evil boards like this!!

Also, why is it that most of the time I click on a member's personal website it is for some MLM business? It is interesting to see that MLM, so prevelent in JWs is still being carried out by those that leave, heehee.